Why do you believe in it, do you approve it in theory or also in practice? I think a lot of people approve of anarchism in theory but rejects the possibility of it to be put in practice unless we live in an utopia… which I don’t think we do, unfortunately. Maybe techno-anarchism would be more practical? Technology is such badly regulated and ordinary people are punished harsher than corporate so I really think techno-anarchism deserves a lot more attention (not saying anarchism itself doesn’t) I see a lot of people here are more knowledgeable than me so don’t take my word so seriously, maybe I shouldn’t be expressing my idiot thoughts on it, or maybe just embrace it and ask regardless of any shame I might get.
I’m not trying to be mean to anyone, just genuinely wanted to discuss with whoever is willing to chip in on the topic.
But it is closer than people living in capitalist countries are, correct?
Closer to anarchism? I don’t think so. Closer to everyone’s needs being met and having freedom? Yes, I’d say so.
I guess it is sort of a progress at least (if it is, maybe I’m thinking the wrong way?)
It sounds like you’re a pragmatist, and that’s valid, but most anarchists are considered idealists, which seems to be where the ‘disconnect’ is (using that term lightly)
also do you mean society as a whole as in the whole world to be cashless or countries since it’d be a less radical change, and if so, wouldn’t these cashless societies become targets of the rest of the world?
‘Idealists’ like myself catch a lot of flak over this exact issue. To me, it’s largely a matter of principle, so I think we should do it anyway. I feel strongly that it isn’t our responsibility to make sure every base is covered before making revolutionary change.
I believe that hierarchy is bad, so we should get rid of it. Yes, that then makes us a target for new oppressors, but we’re only not a target now because we already have oppressors
Interesting points, very nice to get them from someone’s different perspective, thanks.
‘Idealists’ like myself catch a lot of flak over this exact issue. To me, it’s largely a matter of principle, so I think we should do it anyway. I feel strongly that it isn’t our responsibility to make sure every base is covered before making revolutionary change.
I believe that hierarchy is bad, so we should get rid of it. Yes, that then makes us a target for new oppressors, but we’re only not a target now because we already have oppressors
Let’s say it was done then, how would it avoid being exploitable by those oppressors?
I’d imagine the same and only way we could get there in the first place- mutual aid and violence
Edit: I’ve been enjoying this thread, so thanks for that! Been a long time since I’ve gotten this deep into discussing these things, and I like it
So it’d have to be a big revolution in that case or a network of small groups from nearby gathering to a big revolution? Uhm… I guess with the current mass surveillance and intelligence sharing between agencies would likely stop such thing, unless people were to start using Mesh Networks like I2P considering it’d not be compromised, which if any dev involved on such projects living a country that does it like UK/Australia/NZ/USA would be approached by autorities, not a conspiracy, it happens often and the last time it happened and was publicly shared was with one of the devs of Session (Private E2EE Instant Mess!aging) who then fled to Switzerland. The only chance of intelligence agencies sitting on information about such thing happening and not giving a flying shit would be if it was from within a politically isolated country/extremist oppressive country unless it is capilist then I guess it is what it is. It’d involve so much organized planning which then… some hierarchy will born even if a decentralized one?
