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they have that standing because they have the guns. They still have the guns so they still have the standing

those rules don’t just exist for no reason they are to prevent war between the powers in Europe break those rules and you risk war. It doesn’t matter what the Balkans and Poland think they don’t have nuclear weapons

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Oh yes Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine not being in NATO totally prevented war. How could I forget.

It doesn’t matter what the Balkans and Poland think

You’re a hexbear, so presumably self-identify as being on the left. Which then leads me to the question of WTF are you pushing talking points of geopolitical realists, “there are players and there are chess pieces”.

It very much matters what those states think because, as sovereign states, they enjoy freedom of alliance. To deny that means that you think it is all nice and proper for Russia to still treat them as colonies.

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Why do you think leftists would give two shits about nations as if they were people? Leftism is an internationalist ideology.

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Because there’s people living in those countries.

Go on, write a letter to an imaginary 6yold niece of yours in Mariopol explaining why it’s better that she lives in a mafia-run police state, than for Ukraine to decide its own fate.

Also, states generally refuse to be poker chips, and they have all right to do so. Thus, by insisting that they be, you invariably create conflict.

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It very much matters what those states think because, as sovereign states, they enjoy freedom of alliance

I don’t want to be allied with them because they bring nothing to an alliance except liability.

Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine not being in NATO prevented war between Russia and America, Britain, and France. And that is the big war that can’t be allowed to happen

this isn’t a new phenomenon we are talking about the great game of empire and there are very good reasons why it was always the conventional wisdom to not mess with Russia over eastern Europe. If they are sovereign states then let them be sovereign states and deal with problems on their own

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the great game of empire and there are very good reasons why it was always the conventional wisdom

That wisdom is called appeasement and has failed again and again. Empires will empire, if you give them a finger they’ll wait for a bit and then take an arm.

You seem to be completely realism-pilled. I have my issues with Kraut but watch this, it’s good stuff.

If they are sovereign states then let them be sovereign states and deal with problems on their own

If they are unemployed and homeless then let them be independent and deal with problems on their own. The fuck. And you call yourself a leftist.

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