they have that standing because they have the guns. They still have the guns so they still have the standing

those rules don’t just exist for no reason they are to prevent war between the powers in Europe break those rules and you risk war. It doesn’t matter what the Balkans and Poland think they don’t have nuclear weapons

Oh yes Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine not being in NATO totally prevented war. How could I forget.

It doesn’t matter what the Balkans and Poland think

You’re a hexbear, so presumably self-identify as being on the left. Which then leads me to the question of WTF are you pushing talking points of geopolitical realists, “there are players and there are chess pieces”.

It very much matters what those states think because, as sovereign states, they enjoy freedom of alliance. To deny that means that you think it is all nice and proper for Russia to still treat them as colonies.

It very much matters what those states think because, as sovereign states, they enjoy freedom of alliance

I don’t want to be allied with them because they bring nothing to an alliance except liability.

Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine not being in NATO prevented war between Russia and America, Britain, and France. And that is the big war that can’t be allowed to happen

this isn’t a new phenomenon we are talking about the great game of empire and there are very good reasons why it was always the conventional wisdom to not mess with Russia over eastern Europe. If they are sovereign states then let them be sovereign states and deal with problems on their own

the great game of empire and there are very good reasons why it was always the conventional wisdom

That wisdom is called appeasement and has failed again and again. Empires will empire, if you give them a finger they’ll wait for a bit and then take an arm.

You seem to be completely realism-pilled. I have my issues with Kraut but watch this, it’s good stuff.

If they are sovereign states then let them be sovereign states and deal with problems on their own

If they are unemployed and homeless then let them be independent and deal with problems on their own. The fuck. And you call yourself a leftist.

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That wisdom is called appeasement and has failed again and again. Empires will empire, if you give them a finger they’ll wait for a bit and then take an arm.

No it’s called a sphere of influence and it’s just playing by the old cold war rules.

If they are unemployed and homeless then let them be independent and deal with problems on their own. The fuck.

countries are not people.

No it’s called a sphere of influence

You say that as if geopolitical realism was the truth to end all inquiry, the insight to end all history.

your approach seems to be just deciding you want the world to be a certain way and ignoring all evidence to the contrary. You have to live in reality

That wisdom is called appeasement and has failed again and again. Empires will empire, if you give them a finger they’ll wait for a bit and then take an arm.

I agree, the US should be forcibly disbanded by an international peacekeeping force after the last two centuries of imperialism and genocide. No point in waiting for us to get worse, we need to be stopped now.

I appreciate the sentiment but I don’t want to see what certain states will be up to if they don’t have the federal level to keep them in check.

Yeah, what if they threaten the world with nukes or open concentration camps on the southern border or something?

The same federal government that let abortion become illegal across half the country?

You joke (I think) but you actually illustrate why so many people are supporting Ukraine. The reaction of a lot of people to “the US should be forcibly disbanded by an international peacekeeping force” would be one of indignation and fury at the suggestion that foreign powers should violate one’s home and put their loved ones in danger in order to satisfy global political objectives.

Uhh given the last eight years of ethnic cleansing in the Donbas region by our coup regime in Ukraine, it’s really a better example of why so mamy countries around the world are supporting the russian federation here.

Why do you think leftists would give two shits about nations as if they were people? Leftism is an internationalist ideology.

Because there’s people living in those countries.

Go on, write a letter to an imaginary 6yold niece of yours in Mariopol explaining why it’s better that she lives in a mafia-run police state, than for Ukraine to decide its own fate.

Also, states generally refuse to be poker chips, and they have all right to do so. Thus, by insisting that they be, you invariably create conflict.

Lmao you think there are major differences in qol between two neoliberal hellscapes. Actually that’s not fair. Ukraine has faired even worse since the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR.

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