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It’s bizarre that Sunbird touted their solution as end-to-end encrypted, when it can’t be - iMessage drops to plaintext on the Mac farm.

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How does one host their own beeper server?

Edit: found it

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It’s E2EE from the sender to your Beeper server, where it’s decrypted, then re-encypted as a Matrix message.

Then it’s not E2E encrypted.

One end is your device, the other end is the other device. It’s only E2E encrypted if it is not decrypted until it reaches the other device.

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E2EE means it’s End-to-End Encrypted. If it’s decrypted at any point during transit then it’s by definition not E2EE and Beeper shouldn’t be making that claim.

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While it’s a good solution, it is entirely untrue. A message is either End to End Encrypted or it is not. If the message is decrypted at any point between the sender and the intended recipient, it is definitively not End to End Encrypted.

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As someone who works in the tech industry, this is not surprising to me at all. Typically the people who communicate with the media and customers don’t know a single thing about tech. They don’t know what end to end encryption means. They know just know encryption is involved and they have heard the buzzword, so they repeat it.

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