Lemdro.id

5 points

1 year ago

I don’t use them. I see this as a putting all eggs in one basket strategy, if my master password was lost, hacked, hosting company shutdown, or for whatever reason refuse to do business with me, my entire life would be screwed.

Instead I use long passwords made of words, and for each site it will be a few letters off. They’re easy for humans to remember because how similar they are, but due how hash works they are equivalent to unique passwords to hackers.

DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world

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5 points

1 year ago

No they are not.

Also, KeePassXC is an open-source project that saves your password database (encrypted) in a local file. So no company can stop doing business with you. I then use syncthing to sync the database to all devices without using cloud. An excellent solution for sligthly paranoid people :D

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democracy1984@lemmy.world

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4 points

1 year ago

Hashing only works if the website stores their passwords correctly. If a single website you use doesn’t hash passwords correctly, and gets their database leaked, then your passwords will all be leaked. Changing a few characters per site may help a bit, but it shouldn’t be relied on.

Also, if you’re worried about the host shutting down, you should try bitwarden. It’s completely open source, and you can self host it if you want.

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-1 points

1 year ago

Changing even a single letter will completely scramble your password with hash, so for all intents and purpose it is equivalent to a unique password.

Though I do admit it can get a bit tedious, I’ll definitly look into self-hosting, thanks for the recommendation

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lazynooblet@lazysoci.al

2 points

1 year ago

Password are leaked all the time. You are trusting the website with your password, but won’t trust a password manager.

There are self hosted versions of password managers that solve the issues you described. Just read the comments here, some great recommendations.

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0 points

1 year ago

Password managers holds the key to all my other accounts, where as a random poorly secured site do not. Of course I will have less trust in a password host, a compromised host means I also lose my banking and work account, but if a hacker got my free-manga.net password, well they can enjoy my shitty isekai collection for all I care.

The biggest security issue was always shared password leads to poorly secured site compromising highly secured sites, and thats why unique passwords are important. You might be thinking the change-one-letter password is similar to sharing password, but that is just not how hash works.

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lazynooblet@lazysoci.al

2 points

1 year ago

Password managers holds the key to all my other accounts, where as a random poorly secured site do not

You admitted your passwords are not unique or random, so they do in fact have a definite insight into your other passwords.

a compromised host means I also lose my banking and work account

All password managers recommended in this thread use the master password to encrypt your data.

a compromised host

As suiggested, there are self-hosted versions of these password managers so you don’t necessarily need to trust a host

but that is just not how hash works

You are holding onto the “hash” premise but you aren’t guarenteed that your passwords are being hashed. As I said before, if a site is compromised and your not-random password is leaked, you are vulnerable to having all of your accounts exposed.

I think you are set in your ways, I have tried to enlighten you. I hope your choices don’t come back to bite you in the future.

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0 points

1 year ago

if you’re interested, look up how modern encryption and password cracking works. Theres really no way for me to explain why what I’m doing is more secure than a manager when you don’t even know what “unique” or “random” means in encryption, let alone how to maximize them for security.

In anycase thanks for all the suggestions

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