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Supporting Biden isn’t supporting genocide, that’s a false argument.

Biden is supporting Israel because that’s where the PAC money is and poor college students can’t make up that difference.

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Biden is supporting Netanyahu’s genocide. Should he continue because gaslighting the poor hasn’t worked?

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He isn’t supporting genocide, he’s supporting Israel, just like every other President since the start, and Bibi is misaporopriating that support.

You wouldn’t say Reagan or Clinton supported war crimes when Israel illegally attacked Lebanon during their administrations. Same deal here.

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He isn’t supporting genocide

He’s selling them weapons that he knows will be used for genocide, with no strings attached. He’s running interference for Netanyahu at the UN.

That looks like support from where I’m sitting.

just like every other President since the start, and Bibi is misaporopriating that support.

“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a lousy justification, since the way we’ve always done it got us here, with the US selling weapons for genocide.

You wouldn’t say Reagan or Clinton supported war crimes when Israel illegally attacked Lebanon during their administrations. Same deal here.

Didn’t Reagan threaten to withhold weapons when Israel illegally attacked Lebanon?

In any event, the article’s about protests from a generation that weren’t even alive for Reagan and were children during Clinton’s administration.

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Ah. It’s okay if it’s blood money. Cause only Biden and his Israel money can be our option. So. Fucking. Stupid.

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They really don’t care where the money comes from so long as they get it. That’s kind of the whole point.

I love linking to this clip from Bulworth, it never gets old, more people should watch that flick:

https://youtu.be/-Cg7Z2eZmcM

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That is not the society I would prefer to live in. That being said. That looks like a movie worth watching lol

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Man, the absolutist crowd is out in force today.

  • I don’t “support” Biden, but there is a 100% chance I will be voting for him in November, simply due to the vagaries of the American electoral system.
  • not voting for Biden is leaning in to the electoral system being intentionally skewed to the right through various sketchy tactics
  • not combating that rightward skew will likely lead to Trump winning the election
  • trump winning the election will likely lead to Trump doing something absolutely heinous in naked support of Israel’s genocidal actions, like carpet bombing parts of Gaza with a few squadrons of B-52s like it was the Vietnam War (amongst a shitload of other terrible things both related to Israel and not)

As always, context kinda fucking matters a lot.

Edit: all that said: I’m pretty sure the downvotes are due to how dismissive you are being of “poor college students”

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Let me ask you a hypothetical, given the choice between continuing to ship weapons to Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?

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I’m sorry, no, that’s an absolutely idiotically framed question, to the extent that I’m quite confident you’re just trying to push agitprop.

To be clear:

  • Biden winning might eventually decrease or cut off weapon shipments to Israel, because though it’s often glacial, Biden DOES sometimes react to public sentiment (though often it’s politically delayed/timed, which is infuriating for people waiting for The Appointed Time where the announcement of some policy will have the greatest political impact)
  • Trump winning will likely mean that the USAF may be ordered to just help Israel carpet bomb Gaza into dust with a few squadrons of B-52s.

You’re presenting a dichotomy where there is none.

Edit:

Ok, let’s try this another way: which of the two presidential candidates that are advancing to the general election do you believe will actually stop shipping weapons to Israel, or at least has the possibility of being convinced of stopping the shipments?

I’ll give you a hint: it’s not Trump.

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Yup, as I said in another comment:

There are two viable candidates, Biden and Trump. Taking votes away from Biden only helps Trump. So not voting, voting Stein, Kennedy, West, all of that only helps Trump.

Helping Trump is supporting:

  1. A wanna be dictator:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

  1. Project 2025:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

  1. War with Mexico:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

  1. Soviet style imprisoning of political enemies:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck

  1. Wiping out Gaza “fast”:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

  1. Surrendering Ukraine to Russia:

https://visitukraine.today/blog/3712/trumps-peace-plan-is-to-surrender-crimea-and-donbas-to-russia-wp-reveals-details

  1. Abandoning allies in Europe:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nato-presidential-election-congress-republicans-20e902788e8701999ce0424f73d478cc

So, yeah, when the alternative is maximizing negative impact, the only voting solution is to vote for the one person who can defeat that agenda… and that’s Biden.

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I try to let up and down votes do their job.

Bad opinions aren’t necessarily misinformation.

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