Comment by Donjuanme@lemmy.world on MACKLEMORE

Vote in November.

You think Trump will treat Gaza better?

Vocal participation in a genocidal system is endorsement of it. You can’t tell people to vote for one of the parties of Capital one year and then suddenly tell people that actually it needs to be overthrown and think that’s going to happen 5 years later.

At some point you have to commit to it being “broken” (actually working as intended of course) and organize based entirely on the fact that it is and can not be supported in any way whatsoever. We’re long past that point with the “lesser evil” party currently committing genocide.

Successful revolutions in the past have used elections primarily as a way to show the size of the movement, never by endorsing a party of Capital.

Organize. Endorsing a genocidal party won’t stop them from committing genocide.

So you’re okay with a Trump presidency.

Stop gaslighting people. They said it’s time to march and protest and you still accuse them as if they’re participating in the system. We want both of them out. This is how movements for change start.

We want both of them out.

Reality check: one of them is going to be elected president in November. Your wants will not change that.

Not with that attitude it won’t.

Sure. Or with any attitude.

I won’t accept that, and will march and protest loudly to try to stop it.

What are you gonna do, sick the cops on me to protect the establishment bastards?

What are you gonna do

Continue to shame you for ignoring reality and advocating for Worse to spite Bad.

Yup, this commerad (the one you’re responding to) is 100% okay with fascism it seems.

Better to allow the group that locks up protestors, doesn’t convict anti fascist murderers, kills minorities, and actively surpresses the ability to vote, than vote for “the lesser of 2 evils”. I’m not saying they’re Russian, or Republican, but they’re saying the same things as those groups.

Currently the Biden administration is locking up protesters, not convicting FASCIST murderers, killing minorities, and suppressing the ability to vote, all right now. If you want to continue with the liberal policy of pretending everything’s okay go ahead, but don’t give us shit for trying to do something about it, sit down and shut up King.

The only line I didn’t like

As always, liberals’ “support” for national liberation movements only extends to words, if even that.

They’ll gladly support genocide in practice while capitalism gradually decays into fascism, as they’ve let happen in Europe in the past.

“The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
- Malcolm X

Ironically showing your own privilege. Those who are in imminent danger from things getting worse will vote against another Trump term, no matter who. Biden and the status quo fucking suck, but they can get so much worse.

They’re already in danger. Democrats aren’t stopping local governments from attacking them.

Take a minute, read my comment again. I said things getting worse. Not bad, cause they’re bad. Worse.

Cool, have a nice day.

Nah you’re assuming a lot of garbage because you’re dumb. I’m stuck in a first past the post system given a choice between actual trash or a biohazardous fascist dumpster fire. If you don’t vote, you’re more likely giving power to the biohazardous dumpster again and we all saw how that worked out. You’re an idiot if you think not voting absolves you from the consequences of the next person in power.

Nah you’re just a dumbass for thinking that voting for either of the genocidal fascists and endorsing the capitalist system keeping them in power “absolves” you of anything (whatever that means).

Political power in a capitalist state comes from organizing, not from writing the name of some maniac on a piece of paper

Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.

If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.

Really? Are we watching the same news? The Democrats are pulling the same exact bullshit trump did with protestors.

You’re accusing them of thinking voting gives absolution? You’re the ignorant one here, and you deserve to be ground under the boots of fascism.

Looks like a liberal was scratched.

Do something about it lmao. I want to hear about you on the news organizing your way to power before the election. Name drop Jaderick in your speeches, I would love to see it and you could prove me wrong.

In the mean time you’re just trash sitting there doing nothing lol.

You MAGAts keep screaming about how if we don’t vote blue, fascism will gain even more power.

What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

It’s incredibly telling of the liberal brain rot that you can listen to this entire song and your only argument is “but orange man bad”.

So, to quote the warrior-poet: “And fuck no, I’m not votin’ for you in the fall”

What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

A slower slide into fascism than would happen under Trump. How was that not clear?

Lmao calling me MAGA. Dude can’t even read a post history, I’m surprised you can format a post.

So what are you then, just nihilist internet trash? Explain how not voting is going to make Palestinian lives better. While you’re at it, explain how a Trump presidency would be better for fighting fascism. Explain how not participating in the system of power is somehow going to give you what you want, whatever that may be? You just want to watch the world burn? Start with your own house.

Same here, sounds like a lot of these people are disenfranchised, or are paid to dissuade voters from one particular side, or they’re useful idiots.

I live in a first past the post system, it’s not going to change for the better from the top down, I petition for ranked choice voting on the local level, if I want to continue to be able to vote in the future (and not in a Russian sense of “being able to vote”) I’m voting for Biden.

Don’t let the astroturfing here dissuade you.

For sure, I know accelerationists are the dumbest people on the left who have never picked up a book in their life. I’m getting downvoted in series of 7 votes which seems like a strange number to AstroTurf lmao.

It’s not acceleration if it’s already here.

Funny how overnight (Russian working hours) our comments went from +20 and +10 to into the negatives, isn’t it?

It’s definitely not the Genocide Biden is supporting. It’s the Russians making it all up!

So are you going to explain how Trump is better for Palestine? Better yet, you got a plan to organize a better system of government before November?

Lib tankies bringing up Trump to excuse for Genocide lmao.

Both-sidesers sidestepping that second question.

I think you’re right, its not Russians or bots. There really just that many myopic, real people on .ml

They are called liberals.

Interesting take – walk me through the reasoning there.

We can see the votes. You don’t have 10 or 20 upvotes on any comment in here. Stop lying.

You can see the vote history? Last night I’m pretty sure I was at 20 and the first response was at 10… But maybe it was a different thread? Pretty sure it was this one…

Yes. It simply shows The up and down votes separately. Unless people changed their vote it was never that high.

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