From this post (https://sopuli.xyz/post/15865566) on !AskMbin@fedia.io
It’s very likely related, but we also figured out that both of debounced’s (the admin of kbin.run) accounts on GitHub and Matrix were deleted last night. So there is a possibility that kbin.run is no more.
Well I started on kbin.social, migrated to kbin.run…
Are there any other servers anyone would like me to ruin?
lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, truthsocial.com, x.com, etc
I started using Fedia.io
As of a few minutes ago I’m getting a 502 Bad Gateway error and having flashbacks….
Well, it could be you, or it could be me, as I’ve hit the same waypoints.
fedia.io wasn’t taking sign-ups at the time I went to kbin.run, but they are right now, so that’s where I’ve ended up this time.
If this one dies too, I guess I’ll take the jinx with me back to Reddit and see what happens there.
I mean I am running thebrainbin.org and gehirneimer.de and they will not go anywhere, pinky promise
My home instance was kbin.run, and when I found debounced (its admin) was an Mbin maintainer/contributor it made me feel good about the lifespan of the instance. Now I don’t feel so good… if they dipped without any warning, so can you.
And they did this a few weeks after they put up a “how is my driving?” check-in post about how users felt about their server running, and I said it was going well… pretty sure I also said something about being grateful they were long-running, and talked on other places on the Fediverse about how reliable kbin.run was… all signs pointed to the instance having longevity.
Wonder if they just got hacked or something, because it really was out of nowhere, with no warning signs like Ernest had.
Kind of upset because I don’t mind hopping accounts, but I had a magazine there, !otomegames@kbin.run. I had just started it new a few weeks ago, moving from its longer-lived iteration on kbin.social because I was unaware kbin.social was down. And now if debounced does not come back I’ll have to make yet another new version of the community. Does not set a good precedent, “will I have to put up with constant new versions to follow this community?” The most appropriate place would be ani.social but I’d also probably have to make yet another Lemmy alt to mod it properly—things like reports do not seem to federate properly unless your account is on the same instance as the community you mod. And I really do not want to give Lemmy more users at the expense of Mbin. Lemmy is already the big guy, and we want more diversity on the Fediverse. So I can probably just remake it on whatever Mbin instance I end up on.
I can absolutely understand that. I was very surprised as well as I stated often 😅 I can only tell you that I’ve been running my mastodon server a little longer and I commit to the mastodon server covenant (I think that is what its called). But if you have any doubts you should join fedia.io. Jerry has been a reliable admin for years and years (of all kinds of services)
Kind of upset because I don’t mind hopping accounts, but I had a magazine there, !otomegames@kbin.run. I had just started it new a few weeks ago, moving from its longer-lived iteration on kbin.social because I was unaware kbin.social was down. And now if debounced does not come back I’ll have to make yet another new version of the community. Does not set a good precedent, “will I have to put up with constant new versions to follow this community?” The most appropriate place would be ani.social but I’d also probably have to make yet another Lemmy alt to mod it properly—things like reports do not seem to federate properly unless your account is on the same instance as the community you mod. And I really do not want to give Lemmy more users at the expense of Mbin. Lemmy is already the big guy, and we want more diversity on the Fediverse. So I can probably just remake it on whatever Mbin instance I end up on.
Sorry for this, it was a nice community.
I just made an account on Fedia, but I’ll sign up for brain bin as well later. I think my username might suit that instance.
I’ve had the same path; started out on .social, then moved to .run. Now I’m on fedia.io wondering when I’ll have to scout out a fourth.
You’re like a threadiverse nijū hibakusha.
After I kbin.socials constant issues I moved to Leemy.world and like it a lot better. I miss magazines as opposed to communities, but it’s pot-ato po-tato and there don’t seem to be any outages.
Where you also on vlemmy.net and iusearch.fyi?
Same. I had literally just recommended .run a couple of days ago. This is getting really old, honestly.
Fedia.io is managed by an admin which has a long story of managing fediverse services, you should be safe.
Ok. I have to ask: how many instances will have to go down before the majority of you drop the “you can always hop around to the next one” mentality and start thinking about ways to make the whole ecosystem more mature and professional?
Is there a solution to make the whole ecosystem mature and professional?
Certainly having everyone on one instance isn’t the way to go.
We could have a constellation of smaller service providers, like we do for email nowadays. Everyone talks about Gmail+Outlook having 80% of the market, but we all forget that the tail still exists and that is made of hundreds of independent companies which make a healthy living charging $20-$50/year.
And what’s stopping that from happening now?
I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that servers die because they are difficult to maintain. This is perhaps especially true for kbin/mbin based servers.
I suppose for enough money some might be willing to maintain, but I’m not sure it’s that simple.
Implement OpenID? Or logging in with web3 (blockchain)? Or maybe account backup on google drive?
Any solution is better than no solution
Is the problem account making or data having persistence/backups?
Or is the issue having an account on service A, service A dieing and then when you create an account on service B you have to start over again, so we need to improve account portability?
I guess I also wonder… Is that a real problem for Lemmy? For Mastodon where you follow users sure, but does anyone care about their Lemmy account?
to make the whole ecosystem more mature and professional?
Feel free to hire the devs?
You can and should fund the developers as much as possible , but I am talking about paying for the work done by the instance admins and moderators.
Oh fair point.
Feel free to hire the admins then!
Wait, that might have come out wrong…
Yikes. Always sad / concerning to see an instance (and its admins) just drop off the map w/o warning.
The GH and Matrix accounts disappearing is also telling. The DNS record for kbin.run is no longer found at all, so that indicates the owner deliberately deleted it rather than just shutting off the servers. Had the Github account remained active, I’d suspect something more benign like issues with their registrar,. But with the GH account deleting too, I’m leaning toward some kind of intentional scuttle (don’t want to even speculate on why since there’s nowhere near sufficient information to even guess).
Not sure what their Matrix handle/homeserver was, but if they hosted it under the same domain, it would make sense for that to disappear too if there were registrar issues. Again, the GH deletion seems to be the telling factor.
Amusingly, this comment from Elevator7009 one week ago seems to have aged like milk: https://lemmy.world/post/18248042 (LW link since the canonical kbin.run one won’t work, obv).
Not only did he deleted the domain (records) and his github account. But also I can’t find his sponsor pages anymore on buymeacoffee.com or patreon. Meaning he removed everything.
Yeah, I was a member (the only one?) on patreon and all evidence of my membership has vanished. I’m starting to think that self-hosting might be the only real way forward for stability, but I don’t know how to replicate the /all/ experience without a swarm of users and their subscriptions adding to my own.
I would not recommend single user instances in the threadiverse, they just need too many resources just to start out… There are other options available and if you do not trust the people “only” running their servers for 2 years like me and debojnced previously then go to fedia.io their admin has been actively hosting fediverse services for a lot longer
It’s showing indeed the limitations of the activitypub protocol. I’m promoting decentralization, so feel free to run your own instance. Just know that it will take some time, effort and most likely some money.
matrix was on matrix.org. Though I doubt it is an intentional takeoff I had a conversation with them just yesterday and there weren’t any signs of any of that…
Ah, okay. I looked at their profile, but it didn’t list a Matrix username (or at least, that didn’t federate to me if there was one).
I’m trying very hard not to speculate (and hoping an explanation eventually comes to light), but it’s just weird and concerning to see someone (and their instance) just drop off the map like that.
It’s indeed very sad news. And I’m very sad to see debounced go away like this. I always get along well with him. And I don’t know why he’s gone so suddenly. 😭
Why do Kbin admins keep disappearing under weird circumstances? Is Kbin made with black voodoo magic? Do cenobites come out of the server box and take them to hell?
It’s because coding in PHP makes you want to leave for a tropical beach and never come back to the nightmare.
