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LINDDUN card deck PDF for reference: https://downloads.linddun.org/linddun-go/default/v240118/go.pdf

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What is LINDDUN?

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i use a customization-oriented aosp custom rom (vanilla version, no google). It is already very private but there is more private than this, but that seriously restricts usability and visual appeal

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if you have a xiaomi phone with GrapheneOS, NEVER, REALLY, NEVER!! relock the bootloader

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Why?

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it will brick

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How did you install Graphene in the first place?

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i didn’t, but it is possible, altrough, not straightforward and requires some knowledge. I have an aosp-based custom rom, vanilla InfinityXOS (previously Superior-Extended). I have Poco X3 Pro btw. And because of how bootloader unlocking works, it is not a two-way process on xiaomi devices. Once you unlock it, there is no going back. If you try, it will hard brick and you can get a JTAG or something to reprogram the soc capacitors (doesn’t worth trying, there isn’t any single known xiaomi phone that didn’t brick upon an attempt to relock the bootloader)

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That’s really cool! And yeah the bootloader locking checks out with into from other guides.
That unbricking talk flies over my head on the other hand, it sounds like one of those fake tech speaks to my uncultured self lol

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I actually don’t agree with this video; and firmly believe it is more than a little biased.

For example, the Pixel, AOSP and Android are given several undeserved points due to lack of proper information or understanding of how certain features work. I imagine this is the case too for the iPhone; if a bit less so.

The review apparently doesn’t deep dive into settings or attempt to maximize privacy by turning off unwanted ‘features’ when settings switches are available to the user; nor does it assume that you set up accounts in as private of a manner as reasonably possible or toggle off as many default-on consent switches as needed.

While I would support scoring and dinging each case or instance for “Privacy Settings that don’t actually work”…this video really doesn’t do a lot of legwork and leans on the anecdotal evidence of scary news stories too much.

Worse was the fact that the entire video felt like they were shilling for Graphene OS; which is known to have a slightly unfriendly maintainer and community surrounding him to say the least.

No mention of Lineage or other privacy oriented Android ROMs were analyzed. AOSP too, was unfairly lumped in and dinged for specific points of the Default Pixel configuration…and yes there are major differences between AOSP and Pixel Android; even though Google tries to be less in-your-face invasive than the other OEMs. Not enough credit is given for the “On-Device” smart features implemented properly on the Pixels.

Out of personal experience; I’d actually rate a proper Lineage OS install of 4 whole Android versions ago to be more private than stock. Not quite as private as Graphene; but not quite as invasive and much more enforcing of privacy. The debloating provided by a clean AOSP-like ROM, such as Lineage, as opposed to a “Stock Android” configuration from a major OEM is stark.

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I’d actually rate a proper Lineage OS install of 4 whole Android versions ago to be more private than stock.

Its always the lineageos stans that can’t take the truth.

Would a research paper change your mind?

https://infosec.exchange/@rene_mobile/113431029855652363

According to this table, Google Pixels beat other devices listed there by far. Even Samsung S-series doesn’t look good

What about a security expert?

Overall, LineageOS does not leave a privacy-friendly or truly secure impression

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Worse was the fact that the entire video felt like they were shilling for Graphene OS; which is known to have a slightly unfriendly maintainer and community surrounding him to say the least.

Correction, the developers, not the community, are flat out pricks (not “slightly unfriendly”), but this does nothing to remove how amazing the OS is for anyone wanting to remove themselves from all the mainstream garbage in the mobile devices scenario while being able to keep productivity with a few workarounds.

Out of personal experience; I’d actually rate a proper Lineage OS install of 4 whole Android versions ago to be more private than stock. Not quite as private as Graphene; but not quite as invasive and much more enforcing of privacy. The debloating provided by a clean AOSP-like ROM, such as Lineage, as opposed to a “Stock Android” configuration from a major OEM is stark.

You will see me speak about Grapheme as if it was the Holly grail of mobile OSs, and that is because I actually move between CalyxOS, stock android, grapheme and Lineage every few months, and the fact remains that you have less than half of the control on your privacy you can get on anything other than Graphene. Additionally, show me one mobile OS that has less bloat then Graphene.

Every time I see posts slamming GrapheneOS over the toxic community (which it is not) or the devs (who are extremely toxic in my opinion), all I see is butthurt overly a sensitive individuals that are looking at the wrong thing. GrapheneOS is what Android should be, it’s that simple. All these rants about how toxic x or y is only serves to keep people starting in the privacy or security (or both) path away from what is effectively a huge leap from being invaded and helpless in the current tech and surveillance scenario to having near-complete control over their digital lives.

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lol you are so wrong.

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On what exactly?

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Correction, the developers, not the community, are flat out pricks (not “slightly unfriendly”), but this does nothing to remove how amazing the OS is for anyone wanting to remove themselves from all the mainstream garbage in the mobile devices scenario while being able to keep productivity with a few workarounds.

Yep. I’m willing to deal with a prick developer who’s taking this on their shoulders. Theyve really produced something incredible with GrapheneOS. I’m not willing to deal with the pricks who sell my data to anyone and everyone. Especially pricks who have had contracts with various intelligence agencies.

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Precisely my point. That’s the smart stand in my opinion.

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TL;DR: I think this video oversimplifies the analysis according to the cards and gives Graphene OS undue weight without going into sufficient detail as to why each scored under each category.

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Which of these smart phones lets me have a headphone jack… ’cause that is how I will choose. I can patch software & be wary about how I use the device, but I can’t just add I/O to the hardware. Until the Pixel brings back the jack, it is dead to me.

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None basically. There’s a Sony phone has LineageOS (including +microg variant) support, but it’s not ideal either.

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And that is exactly what I am running—and without regret since the OEMs are screwing over users just to sell branded Bluetooth earbuds whose batteries will die & not be repairable in a year for you to buy another set. I will not participate in this.

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The Apple TypeC-to-3.5mm dongle is cheap and measures better than most phones in terms of audio quality.

If you use mostly the same pair of headphones, you can attach the dongle to them and use them just like before. But it’s annoying if you use many different headphones and have to either move the dongle from one set to another or buy multiple dongles.

I gave up on avoiding phones without a headphone jack.

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Dongles create additional & unnecessary points of failure in your setup (sometimes additional stress on the USB jack too which is usually your only I/O port (which is also making you choose charging or power)). Personal devices that play media need this standard jack that has existed for decades—& I refuse to play ball with these OEMs hurting customers.

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I got a Nokia XR20 because of this. Also waterproof and rugged. A phone that needs a case to survive the hairless monkeys dropping it is a design failure and completely unacceptable.

Just wish I could use proper software with it.

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