57 points

I make coffee at home, I don’t import it.

Not like you millennials with your fancy frappy cappy whatever.

That’s why you can’t afford a house.

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Yeah I like my crappy fappys

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2 points

Slow down there McAfee

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4 points

I thought it was the avocado toast

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45 points

the only state that grows coffee is hawaii and their coffee is already more expensive than anything you’ll find on the shelf now

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12 points

Puerto Rico.

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18 points

Still 2 to 4x the cost of beans from other countries, more than the tariffs.

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The high price is from high labor costs. So, once tarrifs happen, it’ll be competitive, no?

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and apparently california now too–though i don’t know if they sell it, or are still working on getting production going

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Not a state, a colony.

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… and that’s relevant, how? Were talking about tarrifs. Puerto Rican coffee has no increase in tarrifs. Puerto rico grows coffee - not a particularly huge amount of it, (yet), but it’s good.

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So far

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😩

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31 points

A ton of produce is imported here, too. It’s often easier to import from the southern hemisphere for things otherwise out of season. Tariffs on that would be asinine, of course, but these people are morons so…

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Should we really import products that are out of season though?

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While it is ideal to eat within season, it’s not inherently bad that we import things that are in season elsewhere. Global supply chains can be eco-friendly and the alternative can actually be more wasteful (like growing in places without water but a lot of sun, like Cali) but they do need to be pressured into doing it that way.

Honestly, the other alternative is just going back to pre-global trade, which would be a few centuries. I’m down for bringing back wind sails, though!

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35 points

Chocolate.

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Anything that uses palm oil.

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Which is seemingly everything at this point. Disappointing how much stuff uses it.

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tl;dr: Cows produce more milk when their diet includes palm oil. Tariffs on palm oil will even make milk more expensive.

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30 points

This will not be popular but coffee is absolutely a luxury lol.

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I have occasional moments where I try to sit and think about the fact that you could take almost anyone from a few hundred years ago and they’d be just floored by the quantity and kinds of food available, like just the crazy flavors and variety of snack foods themselves.

And then show them just hot and cold water on demand, the incredible ease with which waste of all kinds is handled (at least for most of us). The time it takes to get dressed and wash clothes, similar for preparing food and cleaning up.

I mean, all jokes aside, it’s useful to think about the fact that - not that long ago - the things available to a ton of us as fairly default stuff - would be extreme luxury, basically royalty only, if it was available at all. Of course as part of the “standard package” we’ve lost important things that used to be available, by default, to most folks, too. Pretty weird.

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Just think about the fact that 100 years ago everyone in the world could not get get out of season fruits and vegetables unless you grew them yourself and probably needed a greenhouse.

No tomatoes, no strawberries, no blueberries.

It’s why preserves and fermenting were such a huge thing. Through our history humans have invented tons of methods to keep food edible during times of less abundance.

Now there’s a world wide logistics network just so someone can have a fresh tomato in their salad in January.

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Something that also blows my mind: pre industrial era, people had more free time than we do today.

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I mean in the sense that it’s not a necessity (unless you’re addicted or basically addicted) but it’s not fancy foreign stuff.

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and cocoa beans 🍫

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