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Because the big players there are not serious idealogues, they are paid a paltry sum through private channels to constantly spread Russian and Chinese disinformation in their larger psyop campaign against the West.

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Highly doubtful. The amount of time, money, and effort would be much better spent elsewhere. Lemmy’s audience is very small.

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Yeah, more likely the actors on Lemmy are just useful idiots parroting propaganda points they’ve heard elsewhere.

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Time

Basically none on the part of the handlers. Often this arrangement is handled by a private firm that doesn’t necessarily have to be Russian or Chinese, I have heard of one operating in Australia. The posters themselves are spending a lot of time, but they’re the ones selling it.

Money

Again, they’re not exactly paying these guys a living wage, and even if they were, it’s peanut crumbs for state-level actors.

Effort

A lot of people say that Lemmy is not worth the effort to demoralize because it’s too small, I say the effort is too small to not be worth the investment. I would even say that Lemmy users are self-selected for radicalization in some ways, broadly speaking they are fed up with corporate social media and corporatism in general.

It’s also a somewhat important step to have a place they can speak unfiltered amongst themselves, no matter how small the clubhouse is. That’s where the real funky shit happens.

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I doubt those people are even aware of Lemmy, let alone hiring teams of people to post here. But regardless of how plausible it is, this is just speculation with no evidence behind it.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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debatable though.

Lemmy is very lefty, by nature, it could be considered that causing dissent within broadly the lefty sphere, in a targetted fashion, such as through the IP conflict, would be considered worthwhile.

It could even be worthwhile for other reasons, preventing people from caring about the ukraine conflict for example.

Though i think other people are right with the useful idiots. I would argue it’s still summing up to a propaganda outlet, it’s just free labor instead.

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I agree that people here are uncritically regurgitating propaganda but of course liberals are also guilty of this. Frankly, it’s fairly difficult to avoid in this era. Most sources of information are controlled by or at minimum influenced by various powerful forces in society, each with their own interests.

I guess it is a little more surprising to see people absorbing propaganda from hostile foreign nations than from their own. But another part of me thinks I’m not being critical enough of the idea of nationalism which is a harmful and largely fictional concept.

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For anyone that needs to hear it, you can have both. You can live in a free society and also plot to bisect your nearest oligarch next time they go to their favorite sushi restaurant

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Exactly. Watch the downvotes for your comment roll in as day becomes night in the west.

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as day becomes night in the west.

Title of my wild west themed romance novel

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I think I saw that in LaGuardia. Cover has a cowboy rubbing his horse’s backside as the sun sets behind the old saloon?

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I think you two need to check your tin foil supply.

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A whopping two downvotes, yeah I’m sure the paid social media spam targets the 17k active users on lemmy.world and not the billions of users on Facebook

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It’s only 2 PM in California.

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I can’t speak for the other Lefties on here but I’m a Western citizen and former proud Liberal persuaded by arguments on this very website

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I would never deny any claim of genocide, regardless of evidence, because that’s against .world’s rules. If someone tells me that France is genociding Belgians, I won’t question or dispute it because that’s against the rules. But the thing is that when a genocide has clear, documented evidence, I just find that a lot more emotionally compelling. I connect more with what’s happening when I can see a shitton of photo and video evidence of dead children in the streets than when all I have to go on is random hearsay. I guess you could say I’m a very visual person.

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This comment was reported.

Instead of taking any actions, I’ll just ask this:

If the people committing the crime are great at controlling the media, it didn’t happen?

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Good question.

I sometimes think about the fact that JFK fired Alan Dulles, the guy in charge of assassinating world leaders, months before he was assassinated, and that Dulles was then on the investigative committee into his death. Now, does that prove Dulles was behind the assassination? No. But it does make me go “Hmm.” But it is worth noting that if that was what happened, I certainly wouldn’t have the means at my disposal to prove it. I wasn’t on the investigative committee, after all.

Now, I might choose to believe that’s what happened, or that there was a possibility that that’s what happened. You might not. That’s fine. But what would be less fine would be if I declared anyone who doubted my conjecture and wanted concrete proof to be a redfash who blindly believes anything the US government says and should be banned and excluded from conversation.

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I’ve decided to write a seperate comment for it, so… what’s that?

is it a hospital? a school? what is its purpose and why is it in the dessert

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look at upper austria!!! there’s no koncentration camp here

oh

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Pics or it didn’t happen

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does this also apply to drawn/CGI or whatever of people being killed, or is it only real people?

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my theory is that people don’t have a high enough mental bandwidth to be mad at and or care about more than one thing because it’s literally just permanent rage bait.

Say what you want about the facts of the situation, but you can’t deny that most of the posting is just rage bait.

TL;DR stop being mad about things and care about stuff that’s actually important to you. It says your mental bandwidth for more important things, like making funny memes. Instead of just being mad.

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Is there any other kind of genocide besides institutionalized?

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I guess commonplace decentralized pogroms like what happened to Jews and Roma throughout Europe historically

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if everyone would mutually agree on killing certain people they could commit it without an institution ig

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Is class warfare institutionalized? Seems like a non conscious consensus sometimes

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but they do need the state to protect their property, so it’s institutionalised imo

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Is class warfare institutionalized?

More like fictionalized.

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i don’t think genocide is capable of being conceptualized in any way outside of meta conceptualization.

The second you break the outside of the strict definitions of genocide, and start moving to who is doing it, the genocide is no longer relevant, you have larger concerns on your hands. (granted still all tangentially related to the genocide at hand)

But nobody ever thinks about genocide as intrinsically related to something else, it is simply an isolated definition for a specific act undertaken by a given group, against another given group.

if you wanted to break that mold you would use a different term like ethnic cleansing, for example.

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I suppose a population could try to genocide another population without the government support.

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I’ve brought this up too many times to count and honesty the responses are so cookie cutter that I swear 90% of ml users are Russian trolls/bots.

we should just defederate from ml instances entirely but that would just force them to create .world accounts.

there’s no good answer other than don’t interact with them. I’ve blocked lemmy.ml and pretty much block all troll accounts when they pop up.

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I really like the troll accounts. Being told that I should be killed in a genocide because I voted is exactly the kind of absurd humor I love

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And that works perfectly fine. Also, I like Lemmy the size it is now, but people who want to see Lemmy grow into a mainstream platform, are shit out of luck while these folks still roam our midsts

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unless we grow, in which case they get shunted into like 1% corner hole of the community somewhere that everybody points and laughs at.

Though that requires growing first lmao.

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