Werr they conscripting weirmacht soldiers into the SS or civilians? I have a hard time believing that they’d tell a baker to join the atrocities division out of the gate. I think that ideological buy in to the, according to the verdict of the Nuremberg trials, criminal organization that committed atrocities would make you, at best, intolerant with no place in society. If you were haunted by a ghost who wails at you “oh, so just because I was fighting for the intolerant in the war, you killed me?” I think you could live a normal, happy life. Find me the single case of a kindly civilian who didn’t endorse Nazi ideology, who went straight to being conscripted to the SS in 44 or 45, and who killed no allied soldier. I’d be shocked to find them. I don’t know how you could even prove it, frankly. I see where you’re coming from but holy fuck are you looking for a hay in a needle stack. Seems like a convenient way to transition to that Parenti quote about how the revolution isn’t perfect on day 1. If you told me that the Nuremberg trials killed off three kindly bakers conscripted to the SS, I wouldn’t have called the post-war effort a farce. I’d go big book of communism on you and blame the Nazis who were lying about their non-involvement for muddying the waters for the 3 kindly bakers.
Meh read that comment didn’t think it was worth a dunk post entirely for it. Don’t let rage bait define your online persona its all I’ll say about this.
To be clear I only say this because I’d rather give other leftist instances even a small bit of chance, you know internet, text, nuance and all that. Anyone else? Yeah go ahead.
If someone joined the SS to spy on them, you would think that one of the allies or partisan groups would have claimed them as their own sometime in the past 80 years.
Not sure where to put this, so I’m putting this here: I am not going to respond further to comments about this as I want to limit the effect this has on my mental state, which is not amazing even not including this. I don’t really care what you think about me, I just think killing people for being Nazis if that person did not actively chose to be a Nazi does nothing aside kill a person.
Maybe its because I value rehabilitation over punishment? I don’t know and I don’t really care.
I don’t hold a grudge about anyone here, again I don’t really care, aside from the mental drain of arguing on the internet.
I don’t really care what you think about me, I just think killing people for being Nazis if that person did not actively chose to be a Nazi does nothing aside kill a person.
The SS is completely voluntary. It isn’t like the Wehrmacht where conscripts went to. To become part of the SS, you had to prove your ancestors up to the 1800, 1750 for officers, weren’t Jewish. This is stricter than the rest of Nazi society where the Nuremberg laws were in effect.
Like come on.
I appreciate your position and your response even if I think you’re wrong. Even then, I don’t think you’re completely off base. Ideally, this kind of thing needs to be accounted for on a case-by-case basis whenever that’s possible. But 99.99% of those cases still deserve the fucking wall. There is a line crossed where if a person consciously chooses to support the things that Nazis support enough to actually become one, coerced or not (and join the SS no less), that person forfeits the same right to life they would deny others and so deserve whatever comes to them as a result, including death, execution.
That said, a lot of people around here have no conception of justice beyond “my side = good and justified no matter what and any killing in support of the revolution is ‘good.’” They advocate even for the explicit murder of children (that post is good, but many of the comments are disgusting), completely innocent of any crime, so long as they might be some nebulas potential threat. There is a very gross, anti-humanism streak that a lot of posters around these parts fall victim to, and I hate to see it. I’m glad there are still people here who recognize the gravity of actually executing another human being and are rightly reluctant to just throw caution to the wind and go all in in support. So again, thank you for posting this, and try not to let the cynicism of the frothing “kill 'em all!1!!” contingent get you down.
While it’s true that this is something that should be done on a case by case basis, as you pointed out, “99.99% of those cases still deserve the fucking wall”. It’s a generalization that’s true of so many SS members that it’s pretty odd that someone would so quickly think “what if this is one of the 0.01% that didn’t do horrific things to people?” The case is a lot closer to black and white than the handling of the tzarspawn.
Still salty about an old struggle session?
Let it go.
Let’s concentrate in this “clean wehrmacht” apologist.
I am still “salty” about all the apologists for killing children around here, especially when a child I loved was actually murdered, something I doubt these apologists have any care about or conception of. I admit, this may be the wrong place to bring it up because fuck the SS, they all get the fucking wall, no question. But the fact that the child-murder advocates like you are coming out of the woodwork to defend their odious, cruel, anti-empathy, anti-human, position is kinda telling.
Wah wah some monarch got shot. Stop wasting tears on royals and ss nazis.
Just in case this is incredible ignorance.
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You’re doing the Clean Wehrmacht myth, which people would dunk on you for if it were about them.
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It’s not even the fucking Wehrmacht. You’re doing it for the fucking SS. The ideologically most committed core of nazism. The most loyal and evil fucking footsoldiers.
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The average nazi deserved to be thrown in a pit. The SS deserve much much worse.
SS is used so often as a stand in for any Nazi military person that… this kinda makes sense. its still wrong but I can understand the confusion.
