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67 points

This is a seriously stupid issue.

Why can’t we deal with this like twitters name change where everyone basically ignores it and just keeps calling it the same name as before?

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29 points

That’s my plan. Unless I wish to mock it with a silly voice.

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Because places like Google Maps have to deal with Trump’s, in my opinion, NAZI fueled legal and financial revenge pursuits.

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19 points

Who cares? Just because multi-trillion dollar corporation Google has to deal with it doesn’t mean we have to play along.

The politicians and corporations can do whatever bullshit they do, but average people can also choose to ignore that crap.

At least when it comes to changing well established names. There’s other stuff that has real world consequences and that sucks, but we can at least hold the line in this case.

Denali.

Gulf of Mexico.

From now until the end of time.

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0 points

Please get the Queen Charlottes to check in?

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3 points

Like the bean, sears tower, and Comiskey Park

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Does anyone other than Trump want these names changed? Alaska spent decades trying to get the name changed to Denali.

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23 points

Elections have consequences, I’m not really getting that folks are digesting the enormity and minutia of everything that is going to change for the worse, to the detriment of all humanity, and the steps Trumps MAGAts are taking to make sure it can’t be restored for generations

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Yeah, it’s only just now dawning on a lot of Americans how much of an impact their choices have, and how the foundations of their government have always been built on a general consensus to not rock the boat and just carry forward with traditions and whatnot.

That’s the case with every government, really - governments are just a bunch of humans agreeing to do things a certain way and if enough of them decide to stop doing it that way and do it a different way instead then that’ll just happen. Doesn’t matter what’s written on bits of paper, what matters is how everyone agrees to behave. Other parts of the world have seen their governments change drastically in living memory, or have a long history of it. Americans apparently didn’t realize that it could happen to them too.

This is a huge shakeup of their complacency. Hopefully it’ll result in better long-term choices in the end, we’ll see I guess.

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Trump doesn’t want the names changed. His puppetmasters want something that will stay in the headlines for as long as possible.

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22 points

Well the Donvict can fuck all the way off up his own ass. It’s the Gulf of Mexico, and Denali.

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15 points

Complicit press bends knee.

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Did you read the article? They had sound reasoning for their choices here.

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6 points

Yes. I do not consider their reasoning sound.

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12 points

Well, shows where AP lies.

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21 points

Disappointed to say the least…

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I don’t know. I’d say that it’s probably pretty reasonable, if you figure what their job is – producing understandable material.

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In terms of authority, Denali is in the US. The federal government did the renaming from “Mount McKinley” to “Denali” in 2015. I don’t think that generally there was dispute that the federal government was the authority on the name of the thing then.

In terms of familiarity, Mount McKinley’s been known as “Mount McKinley” for quite a while; most Americans are going to know what the thing is. I hadn’t paid attention to the spat over it, and when I first heard “Denali”, thought that it was a different mountain.

So (1) the administration probably legitimately is the globally-authoritative source on the name, and (2) calling it “Mount McKinley” won’t produce confusion, even with people who would rather that it be called “Denali”.

On the other hand, the Gulf of Mexico is a major international geographical feature frequently referred to abroad. Very little of it is within US borders. Some countries are surrounded by it, and the term is frequently used abroad – as the AP mentions. It’s not very likely that any other countries are going to change their day-to-day use over it, whatever Trump says. All Americans know it as the Gulf of Mexico, and I doubt that most are going to change the term they use. So continuing to call it the “Gulf of Mexico” is probably the most-understandable approach; indicating parenthetically that it’s been designated the “Gulf of America” indicates that the official term is this, though they aren’t using it.

Like, the AP’s job isn’t “participate in a culture war on one side or another”, but “get copy out that people can understand”.

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I will say, though – expanding the discussion past the AP’s decision – that while I don’t think that the AP’s stance is unreasonable…the same might not be said of the people who wanted the rename.

A major argument being made by a number of folks that support Trump that states should be given more deference and not run roughshod over by the federal government – okay, fair enough.

But the mountain is located in Alaska. It looks like Alaska prefers “Denali”, and, in fact, its lower legislative house just passed a resolution objecting to the rename:

https://alaskapublic.org/news/politics/alaska-legislature/2025-01-27/alaska-house-resolution-urges-trump-administration-to-keep-the-name-denali

The naming of the thing “Mount McKinley” was done to honor President McKinley. And, okay, the federal government’s gotta have something somewhere if it wants to do something like that, and good odds are that it’s in some state’s territory. But I very much suspect that of all the things that one can find in the US, it’s probably possible to find something somewhere noteworthy that could be named by the federal government to honor President McKinley without running into objections from the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denali

The Alaska Board of Geographic Names changed the name of the mountain to Denali in 1975, which was how it was called locally.[11][32] However, a request in 1975 from the Alaska state legislature to the United States Board on Geographic Names to do the same at the federal level was blocked by Ohio congressman Ralph Regula, whose district included McKinley’s home town of Canton.[33]

My guess is that Ohio is probably okay with having something in its borders named after President McKinley, for example.

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5 points

But not surprised.

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I think their take is pretty pragmatic. It makes sense since the AP is an American news outlet.

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Lol, the most leftist news outlet. Be neutral as possible.
Law is law, until challenged by a court.

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6 points

That doesn’t sound very left, infact that isn’t left at all.

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2 points

AP is most leftist I don’t think so

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