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I suspect bi-generation is a ploy to make this Doctor, and all he does, reversible. I understand if RTD didn’t want to carry all the dense guilt and lone wolf weight of Moffitt’s Doctor into his version, but just dumping it onto poor Tennant and carrying on with a properly “counseled” Doctor, as if the new Doctor wasn’t a continuity but rather a drop in from already having a life, seems…weird.

But for the producers, if it doesn’t work out you can just eliminate the RTD storyline and switch back to Tennant. After all, who really expects a time lord to sit on a porch drinking lemonade for long?

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I think that choice has a lot to do with the Curator and the Renegade Doctor, this would explain them pretty neatly.

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I find it troubling how some fans itch for “reset points” when it comes to certain changes from the show template. Like suggesting rolling back the first Black Doctor immediately after his premiere appearance, or crying for RTD to retcon all of the first female Doctor’s run before it was even over.

Why not just… live with it? Let the show go on forward instead of imagining some weird rewritten, all-white-males version? It was fun having Tennant and Tate back for a second, but I honestly prefer Ncuti Gatwa already, especially over a “rerun” face.

On a sidenote, I don’t think David Tennant is anywhere as eager to return to the show (even on an intermittent basis) as his fans are, and I kind of doubt we’ll see him again until it becomes time for that actual regeneration into 15.

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I guess I wasn’t clear. I like the new Doctor too, and I don’t want a reset. It’s did occur to me that the episode lent itself to rolling back. Another possible conclusion is that Disney wants to spin off more Doctor-themed shows and having two doctors makes that work.

IDK. I’m happy we’re getting more Doctor Who, but nervous we’re destroying tropes along the way. Two Tardises, just like that? Hmmm.

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That’s an interesting way to look at it. It’s going to be a fascinating time for Dr Who

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I’d be fully onboard with bi-generation, if instead they had explained it happening because of the Toymakers abilities to mess with the laws of physics. I’m surprised they didn’t go that route.

EDIT: I’ve been reading people talk about this idea on other social media platforms. I bet eventually RTD will confirm this. The bi-generation was a myth but the Toymakers powers did indeed bend the laws of the universe and make the myth a reality.

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I’m thinking it might be a natural thing for the Doctor. While I wasn’t watching for a while, I’ve caught bits and pieces of the Timeless Child, which IIRC is the Doctor and he’s not actually Gallifrean? So maybe things are different for him, plus this explains the Curator and the Renegade Doctor.

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They did explain splitting tardis is because of toymaker power, but didn’t think to use that excuse for the doctor

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Doctor Who has always been a mix of utter brilliance and painful stupidity.

And RTD likes to lampshade the things he doesn’t think fans should care about…

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The whole episode up until the ending was amazing, it felt like how doctor who should feel especially thanks to donna. “Im donna and youre a gonner” shit made me and my friend laugh so hard. That was classic donna. And oh my god the toymaker explaining what happened to the docs companions after her? Incredible scene. And toymaker dancing around unit was awesome. But then it crashed hard, they pull bi-generation out of their arse. If its a myth the doctor knew about, something that big has to be built up to, to me it just felt like a cheap way to copy the 50th with having 2 doctors on screen.

Although from the small bits ive seen of him, ncuti seems to me like hes gonna be an incredible doctor. That one scene when he kicked 14 and donna out of the tardis, jokingly, with sass was awesome, felt like a NEW doctor, but still the doctor. Also his interactions with tennant were so heartfelt. No doubts hes gonna be great.

Too bad they fucked up the sonic so bad lmao. I can gurantee this new sonic wont be able to make FUCKING SHIELDS because thats op and they were just lazily thinking of a way to get 14 out of that situation.

Im going to give ncuti a go, but with that ending it felt like i had what doctor who used to be ripped from me. If they keep retconning things like davros for the sole purpose of: “wheelchair users cant be assosciated with evil” then the shows dead to me and thats really upsetting

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I liked when they asked him if he was just going to leave without saying good bye ‘Would I do that?’ Ummm, how many times has the Doctor done just that?

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So who did the toymaker stayed away from and not play a game with? Is that the “boss” the Meep was talking about? Or was that the doctor and I missed something?

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I think it’s the ‘Boss’ and they’re building up an arc.

With the whole gold tooth thing I really hope it’s not as obvious as The Master but who knows yet

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It can’t be The Master. They were in the tooth because the toymaker beat them.

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Also… my reactions to seeing Mel were like this- *Thinks of Mel on TV* Ugh. Mel. *Remembers Mel on Big Finish* Hooray! Mel!

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