Disclaimer: This is a joke. Ecofascism is obviously bad, kids. Don’t be that guy.

https://theconversation.com/8-billion-people-why-trying-to-control-the-population-is-often-futile-and-harmful-194369

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But it would significantly reduce all waste and carbon as well!

Remember: we don’t have a lack of oxygen, we have a surplus of Greenhouse Gases and trash… So less humans is the way to go…

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Don’t do this, but remember: the richer a person is, the bigger the ecological footprint. You are higher on that list than you might realize. Especially ecofascists tend to forget that fact.

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Yeah you know what would actually be better? Fixing legislation so that the 100 companies that create the majority of pollution stop doing that

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That’s true! But I think more than one “front” can be open in this battle. And we also need the ones that can be won quicker or easier. Or at least start those too.

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Lmmfao, yeah good luck with that… (hint: the people who own those companies also own the government who makes the laws, there is no reforming capitalism, it’s designed that way)

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They own the people in government, not the government itself. Change the people, change the ownership.

The trick is you have to start small, cause the ones in the bigger positions rely on the small ones to maintain their power.

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I don’t disagree with this but the offered alternative is checks notes GENOCIDE

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Even better than that is changing the system so the 100 companies are no longer around to create a majority of pollution.

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How do you think we could stop the pollution from those companies (most of which are oil producers) without also directly impacting normal people? There’s no way of getting at the structural that avoids individual change.

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Individuals should change. We absolutely do not need the majority of products, and can still keep the modern conveniences without all the excess and waste.

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The statistic that “Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions” is better understood as “Just 100 companies responsible for selling 71% of global fossil fuels”. It’s fundamentally saying that there’s a few large coal, oil and gas companies worldwide selling us most of the supply.

If you want those companies to stop polluting, that amounts to those companies not selling fossil fuels.

Which is honestly the goal, but the only way to do that is to replace the demand for fossil fuels. Cutting the US off from fossil fuels would kill a ton of people if you didn’t first make an energy grid 100% powered by renewables, got people to buy electric cars, cold climate heat pumps, etc.

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Yeah - everyone is shitting on the top 1% here in Germany until they realize that half the population here makes it into that percentile and suddenly it’s the 0,1% that’s the problem.

It’s all about putting the blame on someone else so you don’t have to question if you might be a little bit responsible, too, with your lifestyle…

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That’s not how math works. Half the population is 50% not 1%

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I was talking about the global 1% since that’s usually what those kind of stats are aimed at

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They’re talking about the top 1% of Germany VS the top 1% of the world. If you reframe your thinking to be about the world instead of just your country, you might find your position as one of the 99% percent changing. I don’t make much in the USA, I certainly wouldn’t call myself rich, but just being employed, above minimum wage, and single means I’m probably above that threshold.

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Half the population of Germany makes it into the global 1%? So 40 million Germans are in the 1%, a group that is 80 million people in the world?

People severely estimate how many Westerners there are. The US alone is like 4 or 5% of the world population. If you’re in the west, you’re in the top 15% of the world, but not likely the top 1%

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You could make a religion out of this

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Least insane religion

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Especially ecofascists

Do you think so-called “ecofascists” are unaware of their contributions to climate change? Or do you just assume that based on their behavior?

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You are right. Never trust a fascist’s propaganda. There always is a gap between their announced beliefs and their real ones.

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https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaire-emits-million-times-more-greenhouse-gases-average-person

Also much less important than the top by multiple orders of magnitude.

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Killing one or two people would have a substantially bigger impact if you get the right one or two people. So if you’re gonna, choose wisely

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I’m just going to leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires

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This is the eugenicist’s dilemma. You very rarely meet one who would advocate euthanizing themselves.

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Probably because killing me has zero affect vs killing billionaires.

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Sort by net worth descending and go from the top

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There’s no need to kill anyone. As our climate collapses, that’ll start to happen on its own

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A lot of it won’t happen on its own though. While direct deaths from climate-related things (floods, fires, wet bulb events, whatever) will happen, you can bet your ass that there’ll be a lot of murderizing too.

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Business as usual

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Oh yes, the default setting for a disconcerting percentage of humans is to get violent when things get rough.

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Yeah but the people that will be dying won’t be the ones with the biggest carbon footprints. It’ll be climate migrants from underdeveloped areas or island nations.

That’s the saddest part.

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Or…

We could kill the people who are not only directly responsible for, but who are actively refusing to stop the climate collapse because they want to keep making money and lording over us all from their super yachts (after giving them the opportunity to surrender their wealth for redistribution and stop their exploitation of course, which they will refuse), and actually have a realistic chance of stopping it.

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Go after who you want, but the climate yacht has sailed. Drop it to zero tomorrow and we are still toast.

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