78 points

If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.

Yes it was a Max 9, and yes wait for the aviation herald report for details.

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We usually start New Year’s with good news and promises we won’t keep… Not with total failures. This is not good for their reputation.

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22 points

Nothing they’ve been doing has been good for their reputation for about 5 or 6 years now. That’s what happens when people who don’t understand the industry start being managers rather than engineers.

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9 points

Most defects appear either early or late into a products lifecycle

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46 points

Capitalism views maintenance as an expense, not revenue-in.

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This probably has nothing to do with maintenance. The plane was only two months old. Enough for some inspections, but nobody would suspect or look for cracks in the fuselage at that point. So it’s probably a manufacturing issue.

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21 points

Capitalism views quality control as an expense, not revenue-in.

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23 points

Anything views quality control as an expense.

Are you even listening to yourself?

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11 points

Are you a bot?

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36 points

Aircraft maintenance is heavily regulated. This was a new plane, and the result of the failure is that all planes of that type have been grounded.

There are plenty of issues caused by corporate greed and lack of regulation as it is, but this isn’t one of them.

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22 points

The story of the 737 MAX is corporate greed. It’s just by Boening, not the operator. However, the operators heavily influence the choices by Boening.

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10 points

When corporations capture the government, the 737 MAX happens.

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Actually, you make my point. Without regulation that was outside the hands of capitalists, they wouldn’t have been grounded. Capitalism only cares about profits. Thank hell, that there are a few regulations left, right?

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You know what, you’re right. ‘Le capitalism bad’. Now what? What the fuck do you propose? Get us to the revolution man. C’mon. Let’s go. I’m ready! Let’s goooooo. Tell us what to do next! I’m listening.

Edit: wait, so I’m asking what we should do about it and I’m getting downvotes? I thought capitalism was bad. Shouldn’t we DO something about it? Or is it just performative for you guys? Pedal to the metal. Put up or shut up. Let’s do this. I’m ready…let’s GOOOO

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Lots of things, you never privatize critical services like water, electricity, and healthcare. And if you do privatize it, you do so with strong regulation.

You focus on worker co-ops and never allow a company to have less than 50% of the board of the directors made up of workers (see Germany), this helps prevent short-term vulture capitalism.

You never allow private business to capture the legislature and literally hand laws to the congress they own who blindly passes it, the main way things happen in a dystopia like Murica.

Just realized I’m likely feeding the troll… you can do some reading, I’ve given you a starting place. You can Google democratic socialism as well, which might help as a general starting point.

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Boeing and Airbus aren’t really “regulatory capture” situations. They’re basically state monopolies, and the EU and US have been suing each other for decades for unlawful competition lmao

Also they both have a HUGE defense sector that is completely tied to state policy.

Honestly the most capitalistic part about them is that everybody pretends that they’re private companies operating in a free market (because that’s a politically convenient lie in a neoliberal global economy), but that couldn’t be further from the truth. Their Defense contracts are State-Funded, and their aviation R&D is State-Funded. De facto, I’d argue they are public companies.

Unfortunately part of Boeing’s problem is that they are being slowly outcompeted by Airbus, but the U.S. government cannot let them fail. Not (only) because of corruption, but simply because Boeing’s industrial capacity is crucial to the defense sector and cannot be allowed to perish or be sold off to a foreign competitor. That political reality exists independently of who sits at Boeing’s board of directors, so changing it without doing anything about the politics might not yield appreciable results (at least not in the short term).

My take that the company should be officially nationalized and/or broken up, but both of those are political non-starters for the U.S.

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I’m not a troll but you’re just rehashing things we all already agree on. Show us the roadmap to change beyond virtue signaling on message boards. Let’s talk about more nuanced effective change rather than grandstand constantly with the same three topical catchphrase. I need more than “capitalism bad”.

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I’m reading a lot of “you do” which is actually “your society should do” and which the average person has very little say in. I’m not going to be able to just march into congress and inform them that they are no longer allowed to deal with private businesses, no matter how much I may want to.

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The reason nobody is engaging with you is because you’re clearly completely brainrotted and arguing in bad faith.

You want a fucking answer, shithead? It starts with the dictatorship of the proletariat, a true democracy. That starts with strong worker unions. That starts with universal healthcare untied to employment. Better education for the people in a world shifting largely to trades and higher education instead of menial data entry or service jobs. Elimination of FPTP elections.

All things that can be easily accomplished via legislation, TODAY without total societal upheaval.

Now are you gonna help achieve that by attending city council meetings and voting for leftist parties so they can get increasing levels of federal election funding?

No, you’re not. You’re just going to reply with some bullshit degenerate rant that makes no logical sense about how you love fascism and having a foot in your mouth.

So shut the fuck up, shove it up your ass, and go fuck yourself you fucking piece of shit.

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You just wrote more vacuous stuff. “CHANGE LEGISLATION”. I like all the points you brought up actually. Unions, fptp, Universal healthcare. These are all great! I’m on board. Now what? Walk us through the process. Or maybe you feel more comfortable doing more grandstanding? Via that’s all I see here on Lemmy. Two things: attack capitalism; grandstand.

Let’s try this one more time: Can you give us a concrete roadmap to effective change?

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1 point

Does someone need their diaper changed?

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40 points

Apparently some planes are designed so the side doesn’t fall off at all. I just don’t want people thinking planes aren’t safe!

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18 points

Was this plane safe?

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19 points

I was thinking more of the other ones.

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34 points

Is it bad that my first thought on reading the headline was ‘it’s gonna be a fucking MAX, isn’t it?’

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