While Education and Organizing is building the parts for a new engine the rest of the year.

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Reminder that someone online arguing that you shouldn’t vote for Biden because of whatever pet grievance is either a Russian agent or an idiot playing into their hands

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If people think an “evangelical” is going to handle the conflict in Gaza on the side of the Palestinians better than Joe Brandon they are sorely mistaken and/or misguided. 45 wanted a straight up Muslim ban ffs.

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Yeah, I’d rather deal with someone who enables Israel’s bad behavior instead of someone who not only cheers it on but offers to help make it worse. There’s at least a snowball’s chance of convincing the enabler to stop enabling.

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Evangelicals want this conflict, because in order for Jesus to come back and rapture them, the mosque on the Temple Mount must be destroyed so the temple can be rebuilt, which is step one of their prophecy. That’s the real reason they pretend to care about the Jews.

They truly believe this is their end times, and worse, a few years ago their perfect red cow they’ve been waiting for these thousands of years was certified; if that cow dies before they get the chance to sacrifice it to rebuild their temple, they may have to wait another thousand years.

It’s a death cult and they’ll kill us all.

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And how quick all these Hamas and Houthi cheerleaders forgot Ukraine too. A country that would not exist anymore if Trump had won 2020.

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“Forgot”?

No, they think Ukraine is a fake Nazi state run by a Jewish drug addict puppeted by the globalhomo Western imperialists.

In other words, insanity.

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And soon those farms are going to be powered by ChatGPT. When you hear that Russian line it’s going to have ten replies all agreeing and giving supporting arguments.

I wonder if we’ll be able to spot hallucinations in such a simple task.

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4 points

bots congratulating each other on right thoughts.

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Reminder that not everyone who disagrees with your guilt tripping self righteous nonsense is a Russian bot. Some of us actually use critical thinking and can see a pattern that must be broken.

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I’ve been called a Trumper/Russian bot/Chinese bot since 2016 (on Reddit, same username) because I’m critical of ALL politicians. I got banned from /r/politics for listing reasons why Hillary would lose and what she needed to change in order to beat Trump. Welp…

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Did you think people in the Hilary campaign would be trawling through r/politics, looking for your comment and changing their platform to what you wanted?

Or were you just encouraging voters not to participate in the election?

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look, I can understand the argument that you must vote for the most effective way to contain an evil. It’s a good solid argument.

However it starts taking damage almost immediately when:

  • The plan to fight the evil is using the most disliked president in recent history to win a popularity contest.

  • They pre-emptively destroy any and all opportunities to find a better candidate to win the popularity contest against the evil.

  • They refuse to debate anybody just like the evil they want to defeat. Making it impossible to verify they’re the one for the job.

  • They forcibly re-schedule the primary schedule to delay any signs that this plan might be a terrible idea.

  • Their age is seriously in question, their mental acuity is in question, and they also decide to dodge being in a completely unscripted environment for two hours while standing.

Certainly with all this you can at least understand why someone would rather vote third party, because this Biden option is not making me feel any safer.

At what point can we stop pointing the finger at the voters and start pointing at the guy they’re “supposed to vote for”? Is there a point we can ever point that finger at Biden? Or is it like Trump,where we need to vote for him “even if he were to shoot someone in the street”?

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It works better when you have an idea of what the President actually does and what direct action would mean.

Almost everything we would want to do is at the local or regional level. Want higher density housing? Your mayor and city council control that with no say from the President. Better public transportation? Same, though the President can try convincing Congress to pass grant funding for it. More and better bike lanes? Same thing. Get rid of anti-homeless architecture? All city level stuff.

School lunch programs? State government can stop it if the wrong people are there. Expand Medicare? Same. Better rail networks? Same. Ban gay conversion therapy? All state government.

Foreign policy is the one thing where the President does have a lot of control. That’s actually the exception. I like Biden’s approach on Ukraine–getting most of Europe to go along with sanctions at all, especially after Trump destroyed our soft diplomatic power, was amazing. His approach on the Gaza conflict is far less amazing, to put it mildly. Other than foreign policy, the position is mostly advocacy and horse trading around funding priorities with Congress. Soft power for the most part.

A bad President, especially combined with a bad Congress, sure as hell can stop the local agenda items, though. Pull the grants for cities to implement public transit. Pull Medicare expansion entirely. Don’t provide school lunch program funding at all. Put judges in power who rule arbitrarily in favor of conservatives with no care for precedent.

What voting for Biden is for is to make sure the federal government doesn’t overrule things built locally and regionally. That’s it. The rest needs direct action on the part of all of us at different levels of government.

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A bad President, especially combined with a bad Congress, sure as hell can stop the local agenda items, though. Pull the grants for cities to implement public transit. Pull Medicare expansion entirely. Don’t provide school lunch program funding at all. Put judges in power who rule arbitrarily in favor of conservatives with no care for precedent.

What voting for Biden is for is to make sure the federal government doesn’t overrule things built locally and regionally. That’s it. The rest needs direct action on the part of all of us at different levels of government.

finally somebody gets it dude hoo lee I feel like I’ve been wearing the nightmare vision goggles and taking the crazy pills or something

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Is there a point we can ever point that finger at Biden?

Point fingers all you want as long as you vote to keep the rapist, insurrectionist, self-admitted wannabe dictator out of power.

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Yeah Biden is only the first one so 1-3 = 2 so he’s good candidate

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Yeah? Like our devotion to repeatedly voting in neolibs like Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden has had nothing to do with tilting the political spectrum to the far right?

I’ll probably pull the lever for Biden, but I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t. Based on the results of recent decades of leftists holding their noses to vote for the neolib, even if Biden wins something much worse than Trump will arrive just in time for the 2028 cycle.

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You don’t have to if you live in a state that will vote overwhelmingly democrat. Maryland, California, New York, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and DC Biden won by over 20% margin I have wiggle room to vote 3rd party.

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How many other people are thinking that same thing?

There is NO wiggle room this election. Not even in blue af California.

Save your principles for the local elections if you want future elections.

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In Maryland there is like 33% wiggle room I am ok. If I was in Pennsylvania it would be a different story.

Hillary and Biden both beat Trump by huge numbers in Maryland I can vote for 3rd party no issues. People are just scared that people from Pennsylvania have the same idea which it would actually cause harm.

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Haha every election is THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER NO WIGGLE ROOM.

This election is equally important, or equally unimportant as any other election.

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Maryland:

Hillary beat Trump 60 - 33%

Biden beat Trump 65 - 33%

I would argue that the folks who voted 3rd party in 2016 decided we needed to do more than just not vote for Trump in 2020. The folks who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 are gonna vote for him again in 2024.

I’d say equally this year it is worthwhile to do more than just “not vote for Trump” but vote for Biden (especially if you intended to vote 3rd party … but by all means vote your conscience first!) to further cement the statement that we did not choose Trump.

The stats show he lost no ground, the issue will be how much ground Biden has lost because of the attacks about their age and pushing folks to vote 3rd party or whatever as an act of protest.

Vote your conscience first, but don’t protest by a third party vote. If you have no good option CHOOSE HARM REDUCTION ALWAYS

I say this as a Bernie 2016 / 2020 voter. It still hurts. I’m choosing to reduce the harm regardless.

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Hillary and Biden both beat Trump by huge numbers in Maryland I can vote for 3rd party no issues. People are just scared that people from Pennsylvania have the same idea which it would actually cause harm.

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voting is not harm reduction.

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What if I think people should still vote but they should be ready to be unhappy with the outcome either way and that it won’t actually provide meaningful change?

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I will be very different levels of unhappy with a too moderate democrat than a wannabe dictator.

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So long as we have “too moderate democrats”, the wannabe dictators are gonna look great for actually believing in something. Fuck Biden for appeasing and therefore empowering the right, shifting goalposts back decades- I hope he suffers excruiating back pain today and forever if not ruinous guilt. He makes the democrats look SO bad. Especially on a international scale.

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Is abortion being nationally illegal “meaningful change”? Explain how that’s not meaningful for us stupid people.

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2 points

Under Biden it is still illegal put someone better in

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. Meaningful positive change. Our government is great at fucking shit up.

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[patriotic music swells]

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Then I’d understand and mourn your cynicism, but not think of you as a bad citizen.

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Damn. I don’t particularly like being a citizen of anywhere, let alone a good one.

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“Pet grievance” is one of my new favorite euphemisms for genocide.

Voting does nothing other than reform the capitalist regime. It doesn’t matter whether this cycle’s presidential figurehead is blue or red. Give it a few decades and you’ll see how the US will still be sowing death and destruction across the world, as it always has. The presidential race that liberals get so rabid about is nothing more than kabuki theater.

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Ah yes, the bearer of truth right here, fellas. So your plan is do nothing, but bitch about everything. Gotcha.

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Read some Marx and you’ll understand that political action doesn’t start, and end, at the ballot box.

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Didn’t she win the popular vote?

This is just shit libs blaming the left instead of taking responsibility for running a shit candidate with so much baggage that she lost while “winning”

If you want to be mad at anyone, blame the dnc.

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Bernie would have whooped trump in 2016. Shame the dnc decided to change the rules the day of to avoid a split ticket or God forbid, supporting the actually viable candidate.

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Bernie would have whooped trump in 2016. Shame the dnc decided to change the rules the day of to avoid a split ticket or God forbid, supporting the actually viable candidate.

DNC/DCCC isn’t exactly in the business of winning elections. If it comes between winning an election and BAU (they’d rather have a republican they can ‘work’ with), they pick BAU. They’ll happily (and have) fund Republicans over Progressives.

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Sanders, God love him, was not going to be electable. Had they run him, Trump would have picked up the whole of the big fat moderate lump in the middle of the bell curve.

Exactly like Boris Johnson did when he ran against Jeremy Corbyn. The capitalists simply won’t allow socialists to win in this environment.

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Sanders, God love him, was not going to be electable. Had they run him, Trump would have picked up the whole of the big fat moderate lump in the middle of the bell curve.

This is simply false, and the same consistent misunderstanding of real politic that keeps the DNC on the struggle bus.

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Sanders, God love him, was not going to be electable.

Literally every single poll says otherwise. We’ll never know for certain, but there’s much more evidence to support a Sanders victory than a Sanders loss, and claiming that Trump would have picked up enough moderates to win is baseless speculation.

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Lol, no.

Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left; he has a small group of very loud supporters online who by constantly shouting at each other on the internet have convinced themselves that he’s actually some sort of populist god. I mean seriously, he couldn’t even win the popular vote in the Democratic Primary in 2016, losing to Hillery by over three million votes, where were all the extra voters to “whoop” Trump supposed to come from?

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dont underestimate how much people hate women

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I mean, I will always be mad at the DNC for not running Sanders.

Doesn’t mean I’m not gonna vote Biden in Nov 2024 though.

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Then you aren’t mad at the DNC you support their decision to keep the status quo in check

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Bruh I participated in the 2020 Nevada caucuses when I lived there, and I stood for Bernie (which he won btw, Biden took second). Idk what else you want me to do when he didn’t make the final cut.

I will always vote for the Dem in the General, and do my best to make changes in the primary/local elections where I vote Progressive.

Otherwise, you risk a Republican winning the General, and that will mean FURTHER devastation for American society at a quicker pace.

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24 points

So we’re gonna act like winning the popular vote and losing isn’t a problem in and of itself?

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Of course it’s a problem. But people point to this and say “the system’s broken [of course it is], so why vote!” Which is what the most fascist, anti-freedom politicians want. Functionality, it’s the same as voting for the ‘R’ in every election.

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8 points

Systems fucked, but I always vote. Getting blamed while supporting a candidate I despise certainly is icing on the shit cake

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So we’re gonna act like winning the popular vote and losing isn’t a problem in and of itself?

Right?

Apoligists. Apologists all the way down.

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6 points

If you want to be mad at anyone, blame the dnc.

1000x over this.

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4 points

Neat. I’m over being chastised while voting for a piece of shit that was “the lesser evil”

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Don’t you see the contradiction in “she won the popular vote” and “she was a shit candidate”?

It’s kinda like the contradiction that Bernie could win the general election, but 12% of his voters defecting to Trump wasn’t enough to make a difference.

Leftists are going to be shouting “the DNC is corrupt” on the gallows after Trump wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanders–Trump_voters

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Don’t you see the contradiction in “she won the popular vote” and “she was a shit candidate”?

No, because the popular vote isn’t how US elections are won. She needed to appeal to the people in the 5 or so states that actually matter and failed to do so.

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“Leftists are going to be shouting “the DNC is corrupt” on the gallows after Trump wins.”

This is the stupid shit is see all over lemmy that makes me so mad… Yes the DNC SUCKS but guess what? They’re the status quo right now, and the alternative is literally a fucking dictatorship that has vindictive actions as their highest priority.

There aren’t even dog whistles anymore, he’s using the word dictator… But yeah BomberBiden… Mr.Genocide… I get it… So that means let Trump win? Seriously?

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Yeah, and I’ll still likely vote for Mr genocide all while being blamed for his loss. So why’s it matter?

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Don’t you see the contradiction in “she won the popular vote” and “she was a shit candidate”?

Both of these things can be true. If “did not vote” had been a candidate in 2016, it would have won in a landslide. Just 8 states + DC had enough voters turn out such that any candidate won more votes than there were eligible voters that didn’t bother. As a percentage of eligible voters, Clinton received 28.43% of eligible voters, with Trump trailing at 27.2% of eligible voters. While Trump outperformed Romney (2012) by 2M votes, Clinton underperformed Obama in 2012.

As a percentage of the entire US population (including those too young or other ineligible to vote) Clinton got votes from 20.30% of the population and Trump got votes from 19.41% of people.

They both sucked so badly that just over a quarter of eligible voters/less than a fifth of everybody was all it took to elect Trump

(source https://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/)

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No that just shows she was more popular out of the 2 shit choices

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TF do you think our vote was? I can’t vote any harder or some shit.

The hilarious bit was all the shit libs backing comey during russiagate. It’s literally his fault she lost.

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Or blame both.

There’s more than one way to solve most problems, and more than one cause as well. Would a stronger candidate have succeeded? Perhaps. But that was a solution for earlier in the process. A solution for late in the process was voters turning up.

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We literally had that candidate and he got fucked over by super deligates or some nonsense.

I’m sick of being blamed when I voted for someone as vile as hrc. Dems lost the vote, not me.

Maybe if hrc actually showed up to purple states and appealed to actual voters it would have went differently.

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I don’t want to be mad, I want to change things and improve people’s lives. So I vote for the lesser of 2 evils until we can abolish this “first past the post” nonsense.

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This

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But people did vote for Hillary, IIRC, she won the popular vote by like 3 million votes.

So it wasnt a lack of voting that gave trump the presidency and repealed abortion rights. It was the mecanisms and institutions that are part of your electoral process and that only seem to exist in order to dilute your democracy (e. voting districts, electoral college) that gave trump the win.

Perhaps people would be more willing to vote if their voices were actually heard.

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8 points

NaPoVo InterCo FTW

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Hexagons are bestagons

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2 points

Okay this one went over my head. What’s happening here?

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Kinda irrelevant but frustrating that someone down voted you for being genuinely curious about something that could have a huge impact on the future of our country -_-

Seems like Lemmy has a lot in common with Reddit

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Similarly, if the DNC hadn’t absolutely SCREWED my boy Bernie, we also wouldn’t be in this complete shit-hole.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged

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A socialist will never be elected. When anyone gets close, the entire capitalist world immediately forget their differences and unite to make sure it doesn’t happen.

Happened to Sanders.

If you want read a more heinous example, it’s Jeremy Corbyn. A genuinely good man .

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

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Demsocs (really, socdems) still believe in capitalism. They’re not quite Debs levels of socialist.

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It’s probably more accurate to state that they believe capitalism and markets to be two separate things, for example a market economy where every business is a multi-stakeholder worker-consumer coop and workers and “consumers” alike can consent to what happens at work, would be at odds with private ownership given that everyone is an owner with decision making power (collective/socialized ownership). This is pretty much what Corbyn and the Labour party a few years back were aiming for - they were going to experiment with cooperatives by having the government encourage and fund them.

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Not yet

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A socialist will never be elected.

Christ, they’ve been calling every democrat a socialist for 20 years now and it’s chased half of the democrats rightward so far that it’s a problem for a lot of democrats to keep voting for that

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Uhhhh no. He didn’t pull any votes because he wasn’t even on the ticket during the general election and he endorsed Hillary. Also, considering how unpopular Hillary was she should have picked Bernie as her VP. Picking anti union, milked toste Tim Kain was a joke.

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What kind of pretzel knot do you have to tie your brain into to think that?

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If Hilary hadn’t been a pile of shit doing private speaking engagements for billionaires that were so hush hush that they set up massive white noise generating speaker systems, people would have voted for her.

if Hilary had set a fucking foot in some of the states she lost, people would have voted for her.

if Hilary didnt make stupid fucking comments, people would have voted for her.

Maybe if you stopped blaming voters, and blamed the shitty fucking candidates, someone less awful would have run, and won.

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Blame the DNC. They’re the one cramming shitty candidates down our throats. If OP is right, and voting for president is just changing the oil, it’s like getting charged $2000 for Dollar General oil.

Stop blaming voters. Field actual, progressive, leftist candidates. I am fucking sick of voting for right wing, war hawk Democrats to “save democracy.” We aren’t saving anything, just watching stock market addicted octagenarians kill the country slower than the other team.

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Yup. The DNC is what’s trying to stay in power, which is why Biden and Kamala were forced in, because they obey.

It’s also why Niki Hailey is being pushed on the news. They want her to win because she’ll also obey.

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Isn’t Niki Hailey a republican?

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Yes, I want octagenarians that kill the country slower than the other team. Why? Because I know the game is rigged against the trust busting hero we actually need… but I’m hoping they’ll drop dead of “Being absurdly old” while we still have a country, so a younger generation can fix it.

Sorry, but there’s no easy hollywood solution where Sylvester Stallone blows up Capitalism, gets the girl, and throws UBI out of his “Just Married” sports car… Does that metaphor scan? I know that’s not really how movies work anymore… now it’s more like Tom Holland blows up Socialism because it ate a puppy in the third act to remind the audience it’s evil, doesn’t get the girl because getting the girl is “problematic” (which to be fair it kinda is), and then teases yet another god damn crossover event that we know and care nothing about…

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4 points

There will always be more Josh Hawleys, because the shareholders of the GOP will find them, and get them nominated and then elected to safe seats.

You can’t wait out the GOP in the hopes that nature will take its course. It will never, ever stop.

We need an actual trust-busting, corruption-prosecuting bastard who isn’t afraid of keeping friends across the aisle, or preserving relationships with the right law firms or lobbying firms.

We need someone who will pack the court.

We need DC and PR to become states.

We need someone who will cut off federal dollars to parasitic red states for destroying representative democracy.

We need someone who will discipline people like Joe Manchin when they corruptly protect extractive industry. Turn off as much federal money to West Virginia as you can, and plaster the TV with ads saying “Joe Manchin made this happen.”

We need someone who isn’t afraid to be LBJ, or TR.

Basically, when the metaphorical foxes are running the henhouse, you need a bastard fox hunter. Not a slightly-less-increaingly-worse fox.

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There is an easy solution.

Nearly every other democracy in the world uses it.

But the RNC and DNC have monopolized our political system and brainwashed the voting base against the real solution: voting for anyone else. Don’t be a coward and keep eating shit. Vote third party.

I live in a place where my voice and vote have been taken from me by gerrymandering and the electoral college. Millions of Americans live like this. If you want to eat shit and vote Biden to avoid eating more shit with Trump, I absolutely understand. It’s basic math.

But if you’re a liberal living in rural Tennessee like I am, and your vote is literal trash, I’d encourage every one of those people who’ve had their vote and choice stolen from them, like I have, to vote third party every time.

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Actual leftist candidates–or progressive candidates, because those are very much not the same thing–wouldn’t get even 10% of the primary votes, even if the DNC was entirely hands-off. They certainly wouldn’t get the kind of donations that they would need to run a successful national campaign. Genuine leftists simply aren’t popular in the US as a whole, even if Gen Z might trend more strongly towards certain aspects of socialism/communism/anarchism than people of my generation did.

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Actually it’s been found Left Wing ideas win elections pretty easily

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no, clearly we need to show our disapproval by letting the literal fascists win!

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18 points

A part of me, a part I buried because I didn’t want to believe Trump would win, but… a part of me had basically accepted that she already lost when she brought out the “Bernie Bro.” narrative, and actually tried to paint Bernie Sanders as this misogynist and pretend that his supporters just “Hated women”

Not only was it a desperate move that revealed a lot of negative things about her character. Honestly even if it was true (and it was!), the “Basket full of deplorables” line definitely scared off Centrists who weren’t fully lucid of just how dangerous Trump was… A close friend of mine who hated both candidates and planned to stay home actually voted Trump solely because a candidate was willing to say people who didn’t vote for her were straight up evil… (I begged him not to, but politics is the one thing he will never listen to me on) Between Deplorables and Bernie Bros. it gave off the impression that she was a spoiled brat who demonized anyone who didn’t faun over her. (Even though Trump demonized everyone who didn’t faun over him, but let’s be honest men and women are held to very different standards)

The talk about how “It’s my turn!” didn’t help, and the fact that Hillary already tried the “Oh they support that guy because they’re too sexist to support me!” card, and failed miserably, when she brought out the “Obama Boys” line back in 2008.

Hillary is a geniunely unpleasant person, Trump is also a genuinely unpleasant person, the problem is… and I hate to say it, Trump had more charisma. He didn’t have a way with words or anything like that (Hamberders, covfefe), but he had the persona of a no nonsense businessman ready to trim the fat and say “You’re Fired!” to anyone who stood in the way…

Hillary…was just Hillary.

I’m not saying Trump was this novel idea or this cult of personality (Pretty much everyone but his most extreme base hates him)

I’m saying Hillary is so unworkable as a candidate and so horrifically distasteful, that she may have been the only one who could lose an election to the walking punchline that thanks to the failure of the electoral college, is also the most dangerous man in the West… Donald J. Trump

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she ran a centrist elitist corporate campaign against a fucking cult of personality just lol

no question her policies would be better than Trump but fuck did her campaign suck

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The DNC showed voters exactly what they think of leftists when they shafted Bernie for Hillary. They showed their voters exactly what they think of them when they went to court to have it ruled that their voters aren’t shit. At some point, you don’t get to ShockedPikachu anymore that people aren’t supporting you.

Democrat voters are just as bad, look in any thread about elections, and they make two arguments in the same comment. 1- Leftists are stupid babies who will never be taken seriously and need to STFU already like the stupid babies they are, 2- Leftists who didn’t vote Dem because we call them stupid babies are single handedly behind every Republican win.

I’ve had a number of Democrats in this thread reply to me who (supposedly) do dnc volunteer work. Who pay lip service to welcoming leftists for half a sentence to pretend they welcome leftists, but then have spent half the day raging and manifesto-ing. How they tell them all to fuck off for showing up during an election year. How they chastise and bully them into oblivion for coming in due to interest in an issue that isn’t the DNC talking point of the year.

They’ve all thrown around the shtick that leftists don’t come out to help because they’re insert your favorite chronic internet user trope here, and not a one is open to the fact that it turns out people don’t want to work with you or help you if you just spend your days insulting them for not agreeing with you.

In 2016, they went to court to tell their voters they don’t owe them shit. In 2024, we’re watching Biden sidestep Congress to fund genocide. DNC supporters are openly and actively hostile to anybody left of Biden (on a functional level, moreso than they are Republicans even.) Democrats are just the mid right to Trumps far right, autocrats who think that a pride pin in their cap makes them The Good Guys.

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Honestly I’m really tired of “woke shit”

I don’t mean I’m tired of “women and minorities in my vidya games”, I mean at this point I think I prefer outright bigots to a passive aggressive neolib who thinks that I need to sniff his farts with a smile on my face simply because he wore a rainbow on his t-shirt that one time in June.

I just don’t understand why I, as a transwoman, live in a world where I hear that something is “Pro-LGBT”, only to find that it’s the most forced, tone deaf, and ironically extremely homophobic/transphobic god damn thing I’ve ever seen in my life. That’s not new, I tend to avoid movies tagged as being “LGBT”, because I know it’s going to be some overdramatic tryhard bullshit likely written by a cis white guy looking for an easy payday.

Now webcomics and indie animations tagged as being LGBT are fucking awesome, mostly because they were made by actual queer individuals who know that I wanna see big daddy werebears who love each other more than I wanna see another “Feel good teenage drama” where every line is predictable, right up to the ending where the lead comes out as gay, and all of his friends “Come out” as… whatever the movie wants me to think is weird and embarrassing… or another “We’ve got gays in our trailer! But in the actual movie it’s Cishet shit outside of that one scene with the blink and you miss it lesbian kiss that we’re cutting out of the international film”… or another where the gay character is actually present throughout the movie but EVERY LINE serves only to remind us of how totally gay they are…

This is the kind of “woke shit” I’m mad at, people screaming about how Pro-LGBT/Pro-Black/Pro-Woman they are to the point, where it starts to come off as the exact opposite. I don’t care that you “support me” or that have a “I met God, she’s black” bumpersticker on your car, I just want the GOP to stop gleefully pushing America to Far Right Extremism until they reach the point where they can throw me into a concentration camp and the local news is legally required to talk about how I deserved it, because they’ll be “fined by the Supreme Court” if they don’t. The Neo Liberal’s empty platitudes mean nothing to me.

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pandering and tokenism

forcing an interesting LGBT character vs. creating and interesting character who happens to also be gay

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10 points

I love how the day after the election it was all “Russia pushed fake news on social media and confused the voters!” Which it turns out there was some of that, it was such an obvious scapegoat to avoid publicly admitting you botched the campaign that badly. 2016 was such a shit show

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Additionally, the GOP had been putting in the effort to crush her for decades. She was the least-electable candidate the DNC ever put forward by a landslide.

Trump didn’t have the same level of loyalty back then. He would have failed against any other candidate in 2016.

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I keep telling people that, Hillary was literally the one person Trump could win against.

It’s why I knew he wouldn’t be re-elected unless he pulled something. His base thinks that Trump is unbeatable because the “White House is trying to prosecute him for crimes they made up, the more obvious the Witch Hunt the more invulnerable he is!”, but it’s clearly echo chamber bullshit, guy’s been a walking punchline since day one… he’s just one that’s no longer funny because he’s threatening our lives.

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I mean… wasn’t there an investigation that found that they totally did?

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The way there was zero talk about it until about a day and a half after the election (just long enough to hold some emergency meetings and get some approvals then align on the strategy) I have a suspicion it was a known secret and they decided out some known agents as a scapegoat for the abysmal failure of the DNC. Y’know keep your enemies closer and all.

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10 points

cough Michigan cough. Bitch took us for granted. The DNC shit the whole bed that election.

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Did a gendered insult help make your point?

Edit: this is perhaps the most “controversial” thing I’ve posted online and just wanted to say it is an odd thrill to have random internet strangers having a negative reaction to something you said. Brains are strange.

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7 points

Ya know, getting on each other’s throats because our words aren’t nice enough is a part of how this mess started.

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Ok then her dipshit ass campaign took my state for granted, barely campaigned here, and lost Michigan and the election. The dumb fucking DNC gave up on any election that wasn’t federal after Obama and that didn’t help the fucking idiots either.

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2 points

Does language policing make you feel good about yourself?

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And this is how Democrats lose elections. Thanks for the illustration.

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I do agree. However, we tend to talk a lot and point fingers even more. So rather than us not unifying and speaking up on issues, us not stepping up in the districts and States we live in, and us chirping away and generating white noise on the internet, how about we reverse course?

Run in your local elections. Organize unions. Start working to bring your and our communities together. Bernie proved it was possible. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, grassroots movements in memory. Could you imagine if we took that unification and built on those foundations after that election cycle so many years ago? We would, in this moment, have a powerful, nationwide voice and platform powered by the very same people who now speak loudly almost daily and take no real action.

Voting is just the end result of thousands or tens of thousands of hours of effort across the nation. We could literally be doing so much more. Together we are strong and despite the incredible malicious and absolute idiocy that is MAGA, you gotta give them this: They work together. Even if moving in this case is more defined by a herd of drunk cows stumblpeding across a field.

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