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“Presentation” gives me goosebumps every time. Such a great scene

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“Presentation!” is a regular reference in our lives.

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Unfortunately the sequel absolutely lacks presentation. Its like they completely forgot what made the first movie good.

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There’s a sequel? 😬

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well he didn’t “tuned out to be the good guy”. He was a bad guy and later became good because of the girl.

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I think the message of the film was more that he was always good (to some extent) and that his earlier actions were influenced by his upbringing (in contrast to Metro Man’s)

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He simply grew up into the role of the villain. And then he played that role.

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91 points

Magneto in the 90s. He even built an asteroid as a refuge for any mutant.

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The older I get, more I agree with Magneto.

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More like, the older the character gets, the more they update his backstory to be something the audience can sympathize with. Because a villain for villain’s sake gets old fast.

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Magneto ftw. Xavier is a naive little bitch.

“You’re always sorry, Charles …and there’s always a speech!..but nobody cares.”

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When the Sentinels start rounding up mutants, it is the biggest “I told you so” to Charles.

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21 points

A Bioshock-like game set on Asteroid M would be, if you will excuse the parlance, baller.

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You could say it would be out of this world.

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In the third season of the legend of korra, a group of people try to get rid of a monarchy (which is long established as especially unequal and oppressive) in favor of self government. They also try to get rid of the avatar, because she is an infallible being with incredibly outsized power. I love the avatar universe and get how they needed to fight them, but the group wasn’t wrong

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Even the first season had Amon, the guy that wanted equality between benders and non-benders. At one point we’re even shown that power was cut to a predominantly non-bender neighborhood, and when people went outside to protest to get their power turned back on, they were all rounded up and arrested. Afterwards, when Korra goes and tries to get the people that were arrested set free, she’s told

All equalist suspects are being detained indefinitely. They’ll be freed if and when the task force deems them no longer a threat.

Just in case it wasn’t clear enough by that point that non-benders were treated as second class citizens.

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All of the LoK villains were basically correct, and had to be caricatures of their stated beliefs in order to be villains. Amon was one of the better ones IMO though. Zaheer is too unrealistic

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I’ve been meaning to re-watch Korra, but I remember even the first time I watched it being a bit disappointed in the “enlightened centrism” where they are trying to paint every conflict as pacifists vs extremists.

I think it’s similar to looking at BioShock 1 and BioShock Infinite. There’s a lot of writers out there who just use politics and ideology as a setting for the conflict rather than actually being central to their message. It’s simply a solid formula to make a villain: take any sort of stance and push it to violent extremes. Comstock is a religious zealot, Andrew Ryan I don’t think ever even mentions spirituality if I remember. Ken Levine’s message in the two games is not about religion, but extremes.

There are benefits. It makes the villains more nuanced and relatable. It gives the protagonist room for doubt and allows for some of the “good” guys to take on antagonistic roles. But Korra also ends up supporting an oppressive regime, and Booker DeWitt gets shoehorned into fights against the people rebelling against his enemy because… Reasons?

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Andrew Ryan I don’t think ever even mentions spirituality if I remember.

“No gods or kings, only men.”

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If you’re talking about Kuvira you should read the comics that take place after the show. My feelings on Kuvira became much more mixed as I ended up sympathizing with her after finishing them.

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Its about Zaheer and his gang

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Oh. In my defense I haven’t watched Korra for years and thought it was only 3 seasons.

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He’s talking about Zaheer and the Red Lotus. They were extremely well intentioned, but set about their goals with violence.

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was there a reasonable alternative?

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Mate. I already got corrected, what’s the point of telling me the same thing twice? Unless you just want attention. Blocking you.

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Even in the first season, I was siding with the equalists :s

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They also try to get rid of the avatar, because she is an infallible being with incredibly outsized power.

Did autocorrect change “fallible”? Because otherwise it makes the opposite point.

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Probably a brain fart, thanks s

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I think what made that group such good villains is that you could definitely see their point of view. That said, they left behind a TON of collateral damage, and they didn’t seem to care that innocent people, including children, died in their wake everywhere they went. They were terrorists that happened to have a noble cause.

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The formula for a good villain is “legitimate grievance, insane solution.”

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No they definitely were bad guys. You cant try to murder someone just because they were born as a specific person you dont like and be good guys. And they didnt differentiate between the Earth queen and any other ruler. Their ideology when it came down to it, was indefensible trash.

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55 points

The bible

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Damn… I thought I had a unique thought

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Who’s the ‘main villain’ in the Bible?

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If you were asked that on family fued, the top answer would be satan for sure. Though I like the other persons answer of humanity too.

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Uhh…Satan?

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Humanity.

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Watch ‘The Wire’ - the good guys are bad guys, bad guys are good guys. It’s all mixed up!

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