Svante
Tja.
I’ll get the lighter fluid.
@matthewtoad43 @MattMastodon @BrianSmith950 @Pampa @AlexisFR @Wirrvogel @Sodis
Yes, but I’d like to add that we need to think about lifetimes.
Let’s imagine having built all we need in 30 years, through sometimes extreme efforts.
Current solar panels, wind turbines, and batteries have a lifetime of (a bit generously) 30 years. So we’d have to immediately start again with the entire effort just to keep it up. I’m worrying that this might not be … sustainable.
@matthewtoad43 @MattMastodon @BrianSmith950 @Pampa @AlexisFR @Wirrvogel @Sodis
Sorry, but the term »degrowth« is a red flag for me.
Sure, we are getting more efficient over time. That’s why even Germany’s emissions fell over the last two decades.
But cutting power that is actually needed means poverty, and that will immediately end support for long-term thinking as well as severely limit our technical options.
There are too many people for romantic visions of rural self-sufficiency.
@matthewtoad43 @MattMastodon @BrianSmith950 @Pampa @AlexisFR @Wirrvogel @Sodis
I think you do not realize how much of our population only exists because of Haber and Bosch.
@Emil You know, in a sane world, moving a handful of effectively harmless concrete blocks around wouldn’t be newsworthy.
But even in our world, I think that the message should focus more on how little that actually is, how it is all there is, and how obviously it can be successfully done.
Leave some burns on fear-mongers while you’re at it.
@Brownboy13 @Emil Not perfect, but definitely better in every way than oil.
@tomtrottel @Emil @Tylerdurdon No, it is a classification.
It’s like saying »human feces is a huge problem« — well, yes, but that’s why we have toilets and sewage plants and so on — it’s solved.
As is nuclear waste.
@tomtrottel @Emil @Tylerdurdon
Well, there we are at the divide between facts and opinion, and that between a civil discussion and ad hominem attacks.
Fact: nobody was ever harmed by spent nuclear fuel. Really. Look it up wherever you like.
Fact: that is not by chance, but by engineering.
Fact: the total amount of all the world’s spent nuclear fuel ever, in the shape of a cube, would have a side length of about 35 m (before recycling).
Fact: I have no money invested in nuclear energy.
@KnitWit @Emil I guess you’re not alone, sadly.
However…
A nuclear powered ship probably wouldn’t be under ship regulation and supervision, but under nuclear regulation and supervision. Nuclear supervision is much easier to do and harder to circumvent than that of oil. Compliance would be enforced at ports. A ship that cannot dock is useless.
Also, the worst case with a nuclear powered ship is less bad than normal operation of an oil powered ship, and sufficiently improbable.