CamillePagliacci [none/use name]

Do you know of any examples of capitalists having a genuine conflict with Pinochet and winning? I don’t, because I don’t think there were many conflicts between those two parties to begin with.

I mean his attempt to stay in power? He lost enough influence that he lost his role and was not only unable to maintain the military rule, but was unable to maintain any official role within the state despite his attempt to. Isn’t that pretty explicitly him losing a conflict with his bourgeois backers?
Or would that not qualify (And if so what specifically would qualify?)

Looking at this the other way: what definition of fascism includes Russia, but doesn’t also include almost every capitalist country?

I don’t have a totally cogent and empirical definition, but I tend to agree with Franz Neumann (Well, the Chavismo reading of Neumann) that fascism is a conspiracy by big business and government. Where the interests of capital and the interests of the state in the face of crisis blend together and form a united front that rather than face the crisis begin to oppose their “common enemy” the proletariat and the “proletariatized”, through a call to action that seeks to rally the population under a reactionary banner that still remains elitist even if the movement is supposedly a popular one.
Which is a fairly broad definition and you could include many capitalist regimes in that (If you can call a group of people “Oligarchs” without irony you’re halfway there). The US would certainly qualify, as would Israel and the UK. On the other hand states like China, Venezuela, Cuba, et al obviously don’t. Most states that still have vestiges of Keynesianism or developmental capitalism at least try to address their crises and so may escape, and others give no pretext to a popular movement and are essentially despotic or aristocratic without necessarily being fascist (But are certainly fascist adjacent. Like I’m not gonna complain if someone calls Saudi Arabia fascist, even if I don’t think it technically qualifies)

Edit: also of course this definition imo does include the RoC with the KMT (Who at least tried to become a popular nationalist movement, and who did respond to crisis by blending together capital and state and going after anyone but the problem), Pinochet’s Chile, and I’m not entirely sure about worst korea but it would at least be fascist adjacent.

i called you the british name for a pussy

in other words, you used a gendered slur. Please don’t be cute about this.

you ain’t helping yourself in any way, just go

You don’t get to call me a slur and then act like you’re doing me a favor.

No it isn’t. He also in the same breath where he points out that Trumpism has differences to traditional fascism point out htat Trump has differences to traditional fascism, but clarifies without making a distinction that the label is not only right but necessarily applied. It’s also of course right before he makes a specific comparison and equivalence between the fascist french veterans storming the parliament and the US protestors storming the capitol on January 6th.
Insults are not a substitute for an argument.

She should do her bad dude impression for all the male line read and her normal voice for all the women line reads.

The protocols of the elders of zion are literally true except worse in the game. It’s by no means equal. The gnomes are fully in a conspiracy that fully runs the industrialized world, and to maintain their power they engage in stuff that is right out of an antisemitic pamphlet.

The elves are not a stand in for an ethnic group for which they inhabit all the worst stereotypes. The closest is a read of the orcs as stand ins for exploited ethnic groups under capitalism and colonialism, which given the orcish depiction as stupid but strong is itself racist. But at least the Orcs aren’t universally evil.

I don’t. Not if it necessitates an alliance with distinctly and vocally anti communist and fascist regimes. I will not “critically support comrade Hitler.”

I don’t know, I think it’s pretty fair to say “Reddit moment” to a gendered slur. But you obviously seem to think those are fine and good

Let me remind you that Robert Paxton has now reached a point where he argues that trumpism constitutes a form of fascism in the US and that under Trump the US was fascist in a way it wasn’t before and after. So the idea that his definition and understanding of fascism is an inherently very narrow one is just pointless.

Robert Paxton argued that fascism comes from a specific confluence of events in which the traditional elite relies on a radical right wing to maintain their power due to having lost legitimacy or needing power to suppress the left, forming a coalition between traditional stake holders in the state (Like capitalists, clergy, nobility, what have you. In the Russian case this would be the capitalist class who bought out the state during the shock doctrine) and right wing nationalism which tends towards a mass movement character. This movement co-opts the popularity of the movement into a suppression of “actual democracy” (Really liberal bourgeois dictatorship of course) and maintains power by balancing the powers of the coalitions. This movement then either decays into generic “authoritarian” rule under the traditional elite, or is increasingly radicalized towards genocidal redemptive violence.

Russia of course decayed into oligarchic fascist rule by the traditional power brokers.

That… is nonsense? The surgery part of my local hospital has like three gardens that the patients freely use and nurses sometimes pass through for a shortcut. Unless you’re specifically opposed to plants in the hallways. Which the hospital also has, there’s potted plants all over.

Hospitals are that drab partly as cost cutting not put of pure patient concern.

I’m not saying we condemn Cuba uniliterally, I’m not calling for a fucking boycott of the Cuban state. I also think it’s cringe as fuck when Chinese government spokesmen say shit like “Sweden is a model for how to build real socialism :)” as did most others here, but no one was dumb enough to interpret that as a call for opposing China.