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I’m not a communist because I think communism is a big failure.

So is deregulation and unfettered capitalism. It’s why every time we deregulate and cut taxes, the wealth gap gets wider, life gets shitter for everyone but the wealthiest, etc…

These are the same clowns who added most of the debt (Bush and Trump tax cuts) then complain about the debt when they’re no longer in power.

Honestly? Yeah I don’t see any way around this than to simply predicate all aid to the region on conditions.

1. Israel on the demand that not one more brick be laid anywhere outside Israel’s borders and a plan with enforcement mechanisms to dismantle the settlements that are there in order to guarantee the possibility of a sustainable Palestinian state with an economy under their own control (I.e that trade, commerce, construction, monetary policy be Palestinian and not imposed by Israel). That reparations be paid to families of the victims of this bombing campaign and settler violence over the years, that those who perpetrated violence be brought to justice.

2. Palestine on the condition that they renounce the right of return, that they apprehend and surrender all militants to an international tribunal, that they recognize Israel, that they pay reparations to the families of Israelis that have been killed over the years.

3. Egypt and Jordan on the demand that they participate in the enforcement of the above.

4. for all parties, that Jerusalem be declared either an international city, or joint capital (split East-West).

5. that Iran be completely isolated from the region. This is a tough one, they have their fingers deep within Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.

It’s unclear how anything else can work.

If this requires a permanent UN military mission with the right to shoot to kill any threat all along the border of both Palestine and Israel, I’m fine with it. If it means Israel bitches and moans about how unfair it is, who cares. It’s about time they respected and enforced the law. If it means Palestinians need to fight to dismantle their own militant orgs and fight for peace, at least they will have a light at the end of that tunnel instead of the despair of the past 70 years (and earlier too, tbh).

Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about peace, ceasefires, children, or anything else.

That doesn’t mean Israel should get carte blanche to do whatever they want. Let’s not forget that prominent members of the current Israeli government have expressed very clear genocidal desires of their own.

You still haven’t made any sort of point.

There is a definition, and it applies. It’s unclear why you disagree.

Yeah sure.

Conservatives elect speaker who doesn’t believe in dinosaurs, ancient history or climate change, wants to make homosexuality illegal, voted to overturn the election and did everything in his power to thwart it, reporters aren’t allowed to question it, but it’s those opposed who are “scum”.

Them’s Nazi words, quite literally. You really need an education.

Yeah, he’ll get trounced by someone in his own party though, like the last one did.

You make some strange and easily debunkable claims here.

• If “all Palestinians” cherished Hamas there wouldn’t be a Fatah or a PA.

• The Israeli right wing literally supported Hamas over Fatah in order to justify continued violence and land theft against the Palestinians. Hamas and the settlers (who are now the Israeli government) are literally feeding off each other.

• The main reason this attack succeeded was because the Gaza border was unmanned, because the current Israeli government moved the military to the West Bank in order to protect the settlers there while they commit attacks on the Palestinians there. Despite the Israeli military describing some of the actions of these settlers as a “progrom”.

• The “Muslim fundamentalists of the Levant” comprise Christians and other groups too, including Jews before this entire conflict started. There had been Jews in the Levant for millennia, despite it being under Muslim rule for 1400 years. Jews were still banned from Jerusalem under the Byzantines, until the Muslims conquered it and allowed Jews to return to the city. Jerusalem had a Jewish majority when the British took control of the place.

• I find this idea that the hatred is exclusively due to anti-Semitism to be the stupidest one Israel tries to put out there. Had Palestine been occupied by Bhuddists or atheists, you think they would not resist, or hate their occupier? Was the Viet-Cong motivated by anti-Christian values in fighting both France and the USA? How stupid are you?

Mainly because all the productive land was taken from them.

The few farms and fisheries in Gaza can’t produce enough for 2 million people. Especially since they aren’t allowed to mechanize their agriculture, and are limited in maritime range for fishing.

And forget the possibility of trade ports…

I’m not IN your house, I just surround your house, prevent you from leaving, can cut off your power, water and food at will.

There are quite a lot of Christians in Palestine.