Comment by CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work on 'If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that': Harris fires back at Gaza protesters at rally

Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee for president, fired back at pro-Palestinian protesters of Israel’s war in Gaza as they interrupted her speech during a Wednesday night campaign rally in Detroit.

“You know what? If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I’m speaking,” Harris said with a long stare, drawing loud cheers from supporters in the crowd before chants of, “Not going back!”

Well, Mrs. Vice President, if you don’t want my vote in November, then say that.

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right? Kamala could have responded so much better, but that means we roll over?

I just can’t get behind this take. It’s like the religious people who actively seek out the end of the world so they can all be raptured.

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?

It isn’t. Keep trying. If she keeps refusing, vote for an anti-genocide candidate like Jill Stein.

Oh I’m sorry,

*The solution cannot be “vote for someone who has no chance and let the other guys win” tho right?

Seriously who the hell is Jill Stein? I bet if you asked most Americans they would have no clue. Can we have an ounce of realism here? We’re 3 months out from this election and finally got someone who is competitive with Trump. Jill Stein is not winning.

Seriously who the hell is Jill Stein? I bet if you asked most Americans they would have no clue.

The lack of research skills of other voters is not my responsibility. My responsibility is to vote for the best candidate.

We’re 3 months out from this election and finally got someone who is competitive with Trump.

Then maybe she should try to keep that competitive edge by fucking listening when people are protesting a genocide! Genocide is wrong. If you have the power to end a genocide, you should do so. This is not rocket surgery.

I don’t believe Trump will be worse, he will be the same but less polite about it. An honest genocider is better than a lying genocider.

After 10 months of the Democratic Party enabling a genocide and lying about it, an honest genocider would be an improvement honestly. Liberals might actually stop apologizing for it.

If people don’t know your name as a candidate, then it’s your own fault. Third parties have been completely unable to run an effective campaign. You can’t blame the voters for that.

I’ll agree with you on your last point. While I think Kamala can be pushed in the right direction, her response here was a huge misstep. It’s insane to me that this wasn’t even prepared for.

you’re trying to reason with a troll.

I don’t think you mean to say a movement that wants to end genocide is like those who seek the end of the world…

We can make comparisons to the behaviors of those within two different groups without comparing the goals of those groups. Ultimately they’re both self destructive and not going to accomplish their goals.

And because it has to be said, of course I’m against the genocide. I do not think the person I responded to (and others like them) will ultimately be effective in ending it

I don’t see how the uncommitted movement is self-destructive; they’re the ones of families actively being destroyed from the outside. It’s like we’re asking them for solidarity in response to them asking for some to begin with. In that sense, their behavior is understandable and very much unlike the religious fanatics who support Zionism as a means to the second coming. Those people aren’t begging for their families to be saved.

My theory is that religious people want that, so they get into heaven without dying first. They are just afraid of dying.

The solution cannot be “don’t vote and let the other guys win” tho right?

That is the risk the Kamala campaign is apparently willing to take.

We’re talking about your personal actions, but yeah go off king. Take no responsibility, your actions mean nothing

This genocide is our responsibility, because our tax dollars are paying for it. Our politicians are supporting it.

Correct. I was saying the person I responded to was not taking responsibility.

Kamala Harris has no one to blame but herself for supporting a genocide

Regardless of what people do, either vote or not vote, a Democrat or Republican will be President next term. The only choice people have is if they want to affect which one it will be.

Is the argument that both parties will be the same? Is US support of Israel the only issue to consider?

My point is vote Democrat

I mean…Do you want trump to win?

You’re assuming her completely condemning Isreal would help her win the election but I don’t think it’s as simple as that. There’s still a massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters in the US.

Genocide is wrong. You have to oppose genocide. It is as simple as that.

“Oh, no! I can’t stop the genocide, even though I have all the power to do that! It’ll cost me votes!” Well, it’s also going to cost you votes if you don’t do that, so I guess we’ll see in November.

Is this massive voting block of hard core Isreal supporters who aren’t just voting for Trump anyway in the room with us right now?

No, they’re in Missouri voting out Cori Bush, and in New York voting out Bowman. But I guess if you just want to ignore the very real evidence we have, sure, there’s literally no Democrats supporting Israel.

You might recall that those were primary elections and AIPAC ran ads attacking Bush and Bowman for anything and everything. Unless they think Kamala is actually “stronger” on Israel, they’re just going to support Trump in the general election anyway. Maybe her campaign thinks AIPAC can be appeased, but it still comes down to the apparent decision that they don’t need anti-genocide votes. Shrimp and grits!

Nobody wants Trump to win. Kamala doesn’t want Trump to win. Which is why this reaction is so dismaying. It’s her actions that are helping Trump to win, not the protesters’.

No. That’s why I’m frustrated with Kamala for alienating anti-genocide voters so far.

Sure, but who are you voting for? Or don’t you take any responsibility for your own actions like so many others who blame her for their vote?

I don’t know what you are talking about. I’m not running in the election. I only have one mathematically insignificant vote to cast. Meanwhile, the Kamala campaign can actually affect the outcome of the election by taking positions that attract or repel millions of votes.

poor baby. can’t have what you want, so, you’ll just doom palestine because, <pouts>

go cry

Yes, it’s me who’s dooming Palestine, some guy in New Jersey, not the feral apartheid state that’s decimating Gaza or any of the countries providing weapons and financing for them to do so.

again, any universe, where trump triumphs is a death-knell to a two state solution or any humane consideration for Gaza. So think.

what are you doing?

You must not have heard about the trolley problem. I’m sure if I logically explain why you should ignore the deaths of your family members you would go vote. /s

There is no room for these things to be a topic of conversation if Trump wins. This way of thinking has no path to resolving the problem.

Same excuse every four years.

That assumes that things haven’t changed, and that Trump doesn’t represent the backlash to that change. The Dems don’t change things as fast as you would like, but why is back pedaling better than that? I swear, this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election. The republicans only win when voter counts are low. You are talking like you want Trump to win.

this whole line of reasoning sounds like some astroturfing movement to get liberals to skip the election.

I’m not skipping the election. I’m voting for the candidate who is standing against the genocide, Jill Stein.

Dems need to learn kicking the can down the road doesn’t work when scientists say the road ends in like 40 years unless we change big things.

Are we still talking about the genocide?

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