The disapproval of Elon Musk is the top reason Tesla Model 3 owners are selling their electric vehicles and going for another brand, according to a new survey of 5,000 Model 3 owners.

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Even beyond Musk the quality of Tesla’s for the price is absolute shit. His presence just makes it even worse. The main selling point for them was the higher range but seems like that may have been a lie the whole time.

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Where can I buy an electric Ford Focus?

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On the used market? It was discontinued in 2018. A quick Google search found several for sale.

Ford currently has Explorer and Mustang as full EVs, but also the Puma among others from sometime next year.

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Not hard to be worse than musk when you lived from 1863-1947 lol.

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43 points

I have it on good authority that he’s not involved in the day to day running of the corporation.

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24 points

He’s been dead for 76 years.

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Hello and welcome to the 21st century.

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Seeing the new mustang I definitely believe Henry Ford is still at the helm of this ship directing Ford from the depths of hell.

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Henry Ford died almost 30 years before Elon Musk was even born.

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Yeah? He’s been dead for decades. Who cares?

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It sounds like you hate the idea of self driving cars… Weird

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I hate the idea of “self-driving” cars Elon-style with no LIDAR.

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that may have been a lie the whole time.

Musk’s taint on the brand is I think majorly based on this type of thing. His twitter purchase has revealed that he’s a serial liar, and now people are seeing all of the ways that it is happening with Tesla. People tolerate assholes all of the time. What they don’t want to tolerate is snake oil salesmen, and I’m not sure there has ever been a bigger one than Musk.

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Fun fact: teslas are the most recalled car brand in the country.

I don’t discredit the work done by the engineers there, I’d argue they laid the groundwork to usher in the future of electric cars in this country. But of course all the credit goes to musk. Just another situation like Steve Jobs. See Bill Burrs bit on Jobs and replace him with Musk, same exact story.

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How many of those are real serious recalls that they didn’t just fix with easy tweaks over the air? I hate Musk as much of the next guy but I follow a lot of EV YT channels and even the ones that don’t like Tesla acknowledge that the media overhyped the recalls given how many of them have been easy OTA fixes. Plus since they iterate very fast and don’t just update the car once every four years often it only affects a small subset. Like 1-4k cars in some cases rather than the typical 100k recall that Toyota would have.

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If only he had cancer curing nanobots in his fruit salads.

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You can’t fight P.C. with apples.

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Curious what quality issues you mean?

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Here ya go: https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/

Start here and I’m sure you’ll be able to guide yourself in this journey from there.

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Tesla is the most recalled vehicle brand. That’s impressive. Looking at you Kia/hyundai and Nissan.

Musk himself admits Tesla has build quality issues

Search “Tesla panel gap issues”. Tons of people complaining and many say that trying to fix the issue causes other, bigger gaps, or just gets worse. I’ve heard rumor that if you try to fix them, you’ll void some kind of Tesla support.

Oh, and one of the most damning ones in my book. During a car fire, which Tesla has had PLENTY of, some genius decided that the door locks should default to LOCKED. Who the actual fuck thought this was acceptable? How did they ever make it into production.

There’s a video floating around of a guy kicking his windows out to escape his burning Tesla.

Dumb dumb musk decided he was smarter than everyone else, (spoiler he’s not) and overrode his own engineers. He decided there were no physical sensors required for auto driving, only cameras. Every other manufacturer knows that not possible yet, but musk knew better

Yes, a lot of car fires are difficult to extinguish, and yes, electric/hybrids more so, but teslas are exceptional. Can’t out out the many teslas that catch fire When the local fire dept came by to inspect our business we got to chatting and they said that they had a Tesla catch fire. They used everything in their arsenal, and a LOT of water. Like more than you could imagine. Then it got towed to a holding yard. Someone parked it up against a building, and next to quite a few other vehicles waiting for legal things/inspections. Tesla reignited in the tow yard and took out everything near it too. The yard is in BIG trouble for damaging a whole lot of evidence/vehicles being held for court cases, etc.

I could go on, but those are the biggest ones.

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They’ve also found out the hard way that automotive grade parts exist for a reason.

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters

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During a car fire, which Tesla has had PLENTY of, some genius decided that the door locks should default to LOCKED.

Leave no whiteness is Tesla motto

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Burning lithium and other exotic metals are class D fires. They are extraordinarily difficult to extinguish. They burn hot enough to break down water into oxygen and hydrogen. Mainly you let them burn themselves out and try to prevent them from spreading to other more traditionally combustible materials.

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I’m not a Musk fan at all but some of these are misleading or just downright wrong.

Tesla is only the most recalled brand if you categorize “recalls” to include software updates. If Tesla can fix an issue via an OTA update, it shouldn’t be considered a recall but it is in the source being used.

Teslas do have build issues but they’re not overwhelmingly more present than other cars. They’re only showing that way because Tesla only has 4 models of car and the build issues carry over from year to year. That’s not the case for other cars where, like with a Jetta, the body is redesigned but the name stays the same.

The door lock thing is also misleading because the case would be the same for any other car where the driver locked the doors. Either way, the fire department is breaking a window. They don’t have magic keys to open every car door out there. The fire department could pull on the handle all day long and it wouldn’t matter. The driver locked the doors and could have opened them but didn’t (and there’s even a special manual override for them along with a Fire Department quick access switch at the front of the car).

Edit: People are downvoting objectively true information.

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/29/most-recalls-by-car-manufacturer-2022/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_20191224-132903_adobe-acrobat-jpg.492495/

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A lot of cheap surface level stuff. For example, my dad has a model 3, and the back of the passenger chair just falls off. And by the back I mean the hard plastic shell that holds the seat pocket for the passengers in the second row to use.

There have also been reports of things like mismatched tail lights, cars leaking when it rains, and bumpers just falling off. But I haven’t seen those in person.

Stuff like that.

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Don’t forget when they had the issue with the glass roof flying off on the highway.

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