Lemdro.id

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization

5 points

5 months ago

The Balkanization of the Republican Party is driven by political tribalism. I don’t think you have a very strong grasp on political theory or how absolutely fucked we are down here.

I’m not the person who said

Nope, it works great here in Australia.

That was @BigBoyBarry

Look at my comment history, I was born in America and have lived here all my life. I’ve voted in every primary I qualify to vote in and every presidential election since I turned 18.

You might want to read the usernames of the people you’re replying to.

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-2 points

5 months ago

If your point now is that ranked choice voting would increase voting turnout, thus reducing the chance of Balkanization — I understand I guess. But RC isn’t going to fix the fact only 1 candidate is going to win, and doesn’t guarantee some better percentage breakdown in representation. Like you should maybe clarifying why the Republicans are balkanizing specifically, because even Musk would argue it’s a problem of Democrats. I just dont really understand what youre getting at

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4 points

5 months ago

Um, where do you know in Western Politics that there’s more than one winner in an election?

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-3 points

5 months ago

But the opposite if FPTP is using a representative set. Like if youre american you must see that “constantly pushing for centrism” only pushes you rightward when Republicans push so hard for their policies

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flerp@lemm.ee

4 points

5 months ago

That’s the whole point of people wanting ranked choice, then they can make their voice heard by voting for more progressive candidates while not having to worry that they’re voting for someone who can’t win and are therefore technically supporting the party they don’t want to win. The more votes third party candidates get, the more seriously they get taken even if they don’t win. You can’t do that with a two party system.

All the people who you’re worried about voting for the “crazies” are already voting for the crazies, you’re not going to get current moderates or progressives all of a sudden voting for the crazies because there are more options of crazy so I’m not sure what you’re worried about.

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5 months ago

Except even in progressive spaces you can easily flood the zone with trash and hand-wave it away on proportion. Y’all keep wishing for your demise, this is what the left does after all

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

2 points

5 months ago

Like if youre american you must see that “constantly pushing for centrism” only pushes you rightward when Republicans push so hard for their policies

Your initial misunderstanding is that you’re only thinking within the acceptable terms. Two things I think you might want to consider.

First you’ve alluded to it multiple times which is the Overton Window. Which is shifting, but not only to the right in American politics. If you read the links I posted earlier, political violence in America is becoming more acceptable to the left as well.

The other is that there is such a thing as manufactured consent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

You’ve also referenced that there’s lobbying and wealthy interest that gain undue power in a political system through what amounts to corruption but is called lobbying and regulatory capture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

The best bet to defeat all of these. Believe it or not is ranked choice voting. Be prepared though, what follows is a special interest fire hose.

A primer on what it could start as in the US https://www.npr.org/2023/12/13/1214199019/ranked-choice-voting-explainer

How it can make lasting change https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/12/politics/ranked-choice-voting-ctzn/index.html

How it leads to more moderate candidates https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-02/ranked-choice-voting-can-result-in-more-moderate-candidates

And finally if you have the bandwidth for it a very wonky deep dive into plurality politics and their historical outcomes, and how the wealthy often fight them. https://brill.com/view/journals/copr/14/4/article-p416_416.xml

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5 months ago

More moderate candidates in an a cesspool just gives you garbage. Lmfao “the left is pushing the overton window and wants violence” is some tripe. Trump was shot by a Republican. It sounds like youre a propagandized American that grew up in neoliberal hellscape. Why should anyone believe the rest. You’re not worth the price of the bytes on disk. “Manufacturing consent”, like Kamala, right? Like Bush, right? Man I don’t know what point you make, you just use buzzwords and say that proves a point. Wrap yourself in your fantastical solutions that will continue to lock yourself in the hellscape without actually solving anything. Whatever.

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https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-tech-platforms-fuel-u-s-political-polarization-and-what-government-can-do-about-it/

3 points

5 months ago

You’ve been here only 3 days and already are so defensive. I’ve decided that you’re willfully ignorant, unwilling to read sources, and are unable to post supporting sources for your points.

I hope you heal your ego and reconsider your position. Have a calmer night. I’m not going to engage further with you about this as you are not able to support your argument or consider a viewpoint outside of your own. I don’t want to contribute to the divisiveness of the situation, no matter how much I shit post here. I think this might be of interest to you. I’ll give you some sources for the United States, since you as a Canadian have such a strong rigid opinion on our politics.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-social-media-makes-us-more-polarized-and-how-to-fix-it/

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