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All corporations are created by the state. Corporations only exist because of the laws that create them. Without that special legal status it’s pretty much impossible to grow to the sizes most corporations do.

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Are large street gangs (Crips, etc.) not an example of a huge corporation operating outside the benefits of the law?

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A corporation by definition benefits from the law.

Corporations are businesses that have been given the the legal rights of a person. As if they had a body. Or corpus, if you will.

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Personally, that just feels like semantics to me. They’re a structured group of people that exists to generate profit. Whether they technically meet the definition of a corporation doesn’t change what they’d be like under anarcho-capitalism.

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No. Not all organizations are corporations.

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Same with pirates. They have an internal structure and share profit, but are very illegal.

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Sometimes states are created by corporations. Eg, Canada and the Hudson Bay Company

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Except that they were literally given a monopoly and funding by the British monarchy:

A royal charter from King Charles II incorporated “The Governor and Company of Adventurers of England, trading into Hudson’s Bay” on 2 May 1670.[6] The charter granted the company a monopoly over the region drained by all rivers and streams flowing into Hudson Bay in northern parts of present-day Canada.

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And the HBC did nothing to induce the state to act in such a way? The King just decided, hey, I like these HBC folks, I’m going to give them an entire nation, because I’m swell.

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I’m not sure I fully agree… some corporate entities are large enough to be self reinforcing. In practice they may end up recreating the state, but I don’t think it’s necessary impossible for large corporate structures to emerge in a stateless society. Of course, the nature of the stateless society is a very important variable here. A society that is hostile to accumulated wealth and social domination would make this much more difficult.

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A corporation is a legal construct. While it’s theoretically possible for a single business to grow very large, most of the exploitation and legal cover provided by the simple act of incorporation becomes nearly impossible.

Plus without a state to push down competition, it becomes a lot harder to monopolize a market. Ideally there wouldn’t even be a market to monopolize, but that’s a different discussion altogether.

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Incorporation is just a formality required by law. Corporations could still exist through internal cooperation without that, as long as there is no outside force that disrupts them.

In the absence of the state, a corporate structure can pursue its own coercive methods to maintain market dominance. And of course, some markets are naturally prone to monopoly due to the barriers to competition.

Anything the state can do, a large enough corporation can do as well. So this logic just doesn’t add up.

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43 points

The same is true for private-property and capitalism in general, which is why “anarcho-capitalism” is so absurd.

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Private property is abolished now guys, surrender it immediately but like at your option because there’s no government or police to compel you 🤡

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You got that exactly backwards. You can’t “surrender” something that you have no immediate control over (because if you had, it would be personal property. But no one wants you to surrender your toothbrush).

Private property (and capitalism) needs state enforcement to exist.

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I wholeheartedly agree!

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