Survey: Almost 50% of Americans Consider Themselves ‘Broke’(www.marketwatch.com)

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BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world

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3 months ago

I’ve come to the conclusion that I will be broke for the rest of my life. Outside of a winning lottery ticket, there is no way I will ever have a day when I’m not dodging collection agencies, praying I don’t get pulled over for expired tags (because I can’t afford insurance), or being one missed paycheck away from homelessness.

And since cheap liquor only comes in plastic bottles (and therefore when thrown will not explode on impact), I don’t see any way to change anything.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works

2 points

3 months ago

If you’d like someone to review your income and expenses, I’m willing to help, and I’m sure many others are as well. Please make a post if you would like some advice.

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BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world

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3 months ago

I appreciate the offer, but my income just isn’t enough to live on. I track every penny and while there are a few expenses I could cut, the money saved by depriving myself of those little luxuries wouldn’t pay a single overdue bill. And after job searching for almost an entire year while unemployed, I also know there are no higher paying jobs that I’m capable of getting.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works

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3 months ago

That may be, or it may not. I don’t know your income, expenses, or what’s reasonable in your area. However, if you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got, and by your own words, what you’ve got isn’t working for you.

If you think your income is the issue and you’re having trouble finding better paying work, you should probably try something different. Talk to a career counselor, get a certification/degree, start a business, etc. There are lots of options for improving your job options, such as:

apprenticeship at a trade - plumbers and electricians are in high demand I hear
apply to drive a truck and get a CDL - I see signs in my area saying they’ll pay for your training to drive, and once you get a CDL, your options expand a lot
night school - nursing is a big one in my area, but lots of programs exist; you may qualify for assistance as well

You can’t control who will pay you, but you do control how you spend your money and your time. Getting a better paying job takes a lot more than just sending out applications, it involves being bold, following up (call places you’ve applied), and adjusting your resume based on the feedback you’re getting (if you’re not getting interviews, make some changes for the next batch of applications, and ideally tailor your resume for each job). You have nothing to lose when applying for a job (worst they can do is say no), so you might as well give it your all.

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callouscomic@lemm.ee

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3 months ago

but you _do_ control how you spend your money and your time.

This is a privileged viewpoint that doesn’t realize that the poor literally have less time and less flexibility, and in a lot of cases no control over how they spend their money because it ALL goes into basic necessities like housing and food.

There’s a reason they say the easiest way to get rich is to start with a lot of money. Money buys flexibility and time. When you are very poor, there is a ceiling that is near impossible to break out of without a lot of luck and some form of privilege that one may not recognize others might not have the same access to.

I broke out of that through years of turmoil in school and obscene student debts. I would not have been as able to without someone to live with who took care of me (my now wife) and had a much better job than me at the time. I also likely would never have been able to if I were a parent at the time, or more severely disabled.

I caution how easy you make it sound. It’s offensive to some who literally can’t “just go to night school.” Time is a luxury the rich have more of than the poor.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works

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3 months ago

the poor literally have less time and less flexibility

I never said it’s easy, I said it’s important. In fact, the harder it is to stick to a budget, the more important it is. I’m not going to preach budgeting to people who are already financially stable because that’s not going to help them (I’d probably talk about investment strategies instead).

the easiest way to get rich is to start with a lot of money

It may be the easiest, but that assumes discipline. I think you’re more likely to get rich if you start very little, but you’re disciplined with it. Generational wealth tends to disappear after 3 generations, and a lot of that is because you’re not as motivated to manage it well if you didn’t earn it. If you don’t believe me, look at various posts on Reddit or elsewhere where people regret wasting their inheritance, e.g. here and here, or this non-reddit story. People tend to suck at managing inherited money.

If you can manage to be financially stable, you have a lot more ability to take advantage of opportunities. Let’s say a family member or friend is starting a company and needs help, but can’t pay for a couple months until money starts coming in. If you have 3 months expenses saved up, you can jump on it because you know you can at least last three months. Maybe it goes bust, or maybe it ends up being a really good opportunity. But if you didn’t have that safety buffer, you wouldn’t be able to even try.

It’s certainly not easy, but it is important. Being in debt is kind of like dealing with psychological trauma, and the steps are roughly:

not relevant to personal finance IMO, we generally ignore what happened in the past
validate any feelings of stress, anxiety, etc - this generally happens before asking for help online, so I tend to skip this
list all of the facts (debt, regular expenses, income, skills, etc) and look at the balance - this is usually enough to spark someone to be motivated to change
make a new plan that provides a surplus over necessary minimums that makes progress on debt or savings, or if that’s not feasible, plan how to make more money so you can have that surplus
actually execute on the plan - this is the hardest part

In most cases, becoming financially stable is possible, and sometimes it takes a second pair of eyes to see it. The whole point here is to create hope from despair, with that hope can turn into action. I firmly believe the vast majority can achieve financial stability and eventually financial independence (i.e. have the option to retire), but it takes hard work and a plan. I can’t help with the hard work, but I can help with the plan.

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