Currently, almost anyone in the Fediverse can see Lemmys votes. Lemmy admins can see votes, as well as mods. Only regular Lemmy users can’t. Should the Lemmy devs create a way to make the votes anonymous?

There is a discussion going on right now considering “making the Lemmy votes public” but I think that premisse is just wrong. The votes are public already, they’re just hidden from Lemmy users. Anyone from a kbin/mbin/fedia instance can check out the votes if they are so inclined.

The users right now may fall into a false sense of privacy when voting because the votes are hidden from Lemmy users. If you want to vote something and not show up on the vote list, please create another account to support that type of content and don’t tell anyone.

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118 points

Wait a minute, so any admin can see which posts do I upvote/downvote?

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I’m an instance owner and mod. I’ll describe what we see.

Like anyone else, I can check a post or comment and see the upvote and downvote counts. If I click on a specific menu item by a post or comment I can also see who voted which way.

I check it often and to date have only banned two users, out of thousands, who were consistently downvoting posts. These bot accounts were literally voting within seconds of the post going federated.

It’s a useful feature on my end and I think others should be able to see it.

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Thamk you for the insight, instance administrator views are valuable and unique.

At the risk of sounding like I’m presenting a bad faith argument, why ban them? I don’t like the whole “free market” analogy but surely it’s one of the liberating features of federated servers, being able to to largely express your votes or content as you see fit within the legal framework of the host nation. Wouldn’t the odd one or two mass downvoters/upvoters/theyvoters ultimately be a statistical abberation or is the fediverse still small enough for this sort of shit to carry weight?

Open criticism of my view welcome, as always!

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59 points

They’re purposely disruptive to the community, they are not part of the community.

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27 points

If votes are anonymous and federated, it’s very easy for me to add or subtract 900 votes from whatever I want.

You should consider anything you do on social media to be public. Even if Facebook tries to claim that it’s not.

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Admin of a small instance, I have banned 2 accounts for another instance that were downvoting almost all content in a threads without any other interaction. They were being disruptive to the flow at the time, much like @ericjmorey@discuss.online describes.

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4 points

why ban them?

They were describing someone who downvoted everything seconds within the post arriving.

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1 point

Lemmy downvotes really have no consequences though, besides user ego.

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I agree! I believe seeing who upvoted or downvoted a post aids in identifying rabid downvoters and bots. However, I personally use mobile Lemmy apps and am unable to access that data.

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Furthermore, anyone can spin up a Lemmy server if they want to see people’s votes. It’s not very hard or load the same post in kbin/mbin.

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22 points

For what it’s worth, admins/employees on Reddit (or any other website) can also see upvote records.

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9 points

this is different, oc is talking about “any admin”. Anyone can make a lemmy server and become a server admin from which they might be able to see the voters

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17 points

Yep. On kbin I think any user can too.

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On mbin users can only see who upvoted a post. An admin can of course still go into the db and look there, but for users and mods there is no way to see who downvoted a post

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There is a “Reduces” tab on mbin, which shows downvotes

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7 points

Yep and they ban people as they see fit, across different communities, based on votes anywhere

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6 points

Yes, by looking in the DB or the data that’s federated as it comes through

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There’s now a UI feature that allows admins to see votes without needing to manually query the database

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yes, and any instance owner on any federated instance. Oh, and anyone on Kbin.

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