Popular iPad design app Procreate is coming out against generative AI, and has vowed never to introduce generative AI features into its products. The company said on its website that although machine learning is a “compelling technology with a lot of merit,” the current path that generative AI is on is wrong for its platform.

Procreate goes on to say that it’s not chasing a technology that is a threat to human creativity, even though this may make the company “seem at risk of being left behind.”

Procreate CEO James Cuda released an even stronger statement against the technology in a video posted to X on Monday.

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-21 points

Generative AI steals art.

No it doesn’t. Drop that repeated lie please

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How about “it’s complicated”? It certainly doesn’t steal art and it certainly does lower the need for humans to create art.

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Honestly the need for art has nothing to do with the urge to create art. People will create art no matter what and capitalism treats them like shit for it but that;s a totally different argument

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Is it really not true? How many companies have been training their models using art straight out of the Internet while completely disregarding their creative licences or asking anyone for permission? How many times haven’t people got a result from a GenAI model that broke IP rights, or looked extremely similar to an already existing piece of art, and would probably get people sued? And how many of these models have been made available for commercial purposes?

The only logical conclusion is that GenAI steals art because it has been constantly “fed” with stolen art.

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It does not steal art. It does not store copies of art, it does not deprive anyone of their pictures, it does not remix other people’s pictures, it does not recreate other people’s pictures unless very very specifically directed to do so (and that’'s on the human not he AI), and even then it usually gets things “wrong”. If you don’t completely redefine theft then it does not steal art

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You don’t need permission to train a model on any art. No IP rights are being broken.

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Why do you think it ingests all its content from. Problem isn’t the AI itself it’s the companies that operated but it’s not inaccurate to conflate the two things.

I think you’ll be in a little disingenuous.

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You’re being disingenuous by trying to redefine the concept of theft. It does not steal anything by any definition of the word. It learn using a neural network similar to, but much simpler than, the one in your head

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Thefts is defined as in law. If something is stolen I.e it is not compensated for, then it is theft. You can’t get around it by going “oh well technically it’s transformative by a non-human intelligence” that doesn’t work. The law not recognize AI systems as being intelligent entities, so they are therefore not capable of transformative work.

This isn’t a matter of personal opinion it’s just what the law is. You can’t argue about it.

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I like how you completely dodge his argument with this. If training data isn’t considered transformative, then it’s copyright infringement, like piracy.

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Yes I agree it’s copyright violation I think maybe you’re not reading my comment correctly? I’m responding to the guy saying that it isn’t copyright violation.

What are you talking about? Did you understand the original comment?

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You are right, generally, generative AI pirates art and the rest of the content on the internet.

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That is at least borderline more correct, but it’s still wrong. It learns using a neural network much like, but much simpler than, the one in your head

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It doesn’t “learn” anything, its a database with linear algebra. Using anthropomorphic adjectives only helps to entrench this useless and wasteful technology to regular people.

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How do you know AI companies straight-up pirate the art and don’t just buy a copy to train their models?

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Lmao keep telling yourself that

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Sure. I’ll keep telling others that too because I’m right

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