Comment by index@sh.itjust.works on How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing?

As title, if you have post or link any useful resource you have

forcing that on someone can only be justified if they are literally at home fighting off an invading force.

I believe abolish someone rights is never a good thing. If you are fighting against someone that wants to take these away you have even more reason to respect these rights and stand for them.

I see you’d rather die kneeling than standing.

I see you’re confusing a state with a people.

Do you think the people of Ukraine want to be invaded by Russia?

You know the same Russia that is constantly killing loads of civilians and is repressing their own people.

I’m sure many eastern Ukrainians who were getting killed and repressed by their own people for a decade did. Some of them explicitly requested Russian intervention.

BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

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The post-2014 coup annexation of Crimea want as smoothly as it did because many of the residents wanted it.

Why didn’t they just move to Russia if they liked Russia more?

Either way that does in no way justify the Russian total invasion attempt and the murder of thousands of innocents.

So do you think Russia was in the right to invade Ukraine?

I don’t really know what Russia ought to have done, but the US knowingly put Russia between a rock and a hard place. How would the US have reacted if Russia was creeping a “defensive” alliance toward the US’ border and orchestrated a Mexican coup?

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine In May of [2022] Ukrainian media reported that then-British prime minister Boris Johnson had flown to Kiev the previous month to pass on the message on behalf of the western empire that “Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with,” and that “even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.”

The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism

It’s amazing the shit rich old people can convince poor young people to die saying

edit: meant to say ‘rich young people on computers thousands of miles away cheering on other people’s deaths’

I invite all of you chickenhawk nazi lovers to go die charging a trench in the place of someone who doesn’t support your cause and doesn’t want to die.

What do you mean by nazi? And wtf is a chickenhawk?

I proudly went through conscription in Finland, because we know what Russia was capable of.

So who are these Nazis you speak of?

You’re from Finland and you have to ask where the nazis are?

I don’t, but apparently you do.

So who exactly are you calling nazis?

Literal nazis who wear nazi symbols on their persons and anyone who positively associates with them or supports them

I don’t, but apparently you do.

Your trash talk is incoherent. You don’t have to ask but I do? My dimwitted child, you are the one asking.

Hey now, the Finns dropped their Nazi symbology way back in… four years ago.

Since you’re very fond of listing links and sources, I’ll show you how argumenting is actually done. (Since your link lists were nothing but "I hope you never read any of these because they’re not actually even related and I can’t come up with an actual argument.)

You misuse the word “symbology”.

Likeness in symbols representing different things aren’t two different things using the same symbology, they’re the same symbol which represents a different thing.

We’ve been using the Swastika since the Iron Age. When did they form the Nazi party again?

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakaristi_Suomessa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_swastika_in_the_early_20th_century

Awkward how you pretend to be so knowledgable, yet make these cringe “arguments”, because I made you upset by asking you whether you’re pro-Russian or not. Something which you absolutely refuse to answer. Weird, huh?

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