scientists who deliver alternatives

Like what?

these countless scientists (accounting for less than 2% of the scientific community), are they in the room with us right now?

Also Greta doesn’t control literally anyone, doesn’t require unwavering devotion and most importantly it is not a spiritual belief that human-made climate change is a thing. In fact it’s a well established fact by now.

Because 1 moron screaming that the sky is green does not make the sky green just because he’s “providing an alternative” to what the other 99 people are saying after looking up at the sky and seeing it is blue. Scientists are also not telling people to repent, they’re telling people there needs to be a system change and they’re also telling politicians that they need to enact policies to contrast climate change, and the same is what activists ask for. You’d know if you spent some time looking at what they say rather than what the media says about them.

You know who actually is both telling people to repent for their own emissions and also spreading misinformation about climate change and financing those “alternative science”? Oil companies. I wonder why.

That isn’t what you said though, is it?

She cares about the environment man! And and she like, stood in front of an oil port!! I can’t think of anything more extreme leftist terrorist than that

To know as much about something as the man in the moon

As to her extremist and disagreeable views, now, I haven’t collaborated this properly but have it on very good authority that she prefers vanilla over chocolate pudding. What a monster.

Wahrscheinlich nicht - ist mir aber ehrlich gesagt auch Egal, weil es am Ende eh nix bringt. Sobald man bei dem Thema ne andere Meinung hat, ist man eh unten durch. Aber, weil ich ja eig. verständigungswillig bin…hier die Erklärung:

Yes, i care: I’ve said it in another post, the fact that she (and pretty much everyone else that applauded her) want’s to basically stop living life, without proposing or advocating how to do it better or rather using her Plattform to advocate real change without completely demolishing “life” irks me. To quote the other post:

Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn’t going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.

The issue is: The extremist positions are doing more harm than any good, it’s one of the reasons the AfD got so big in the last few months and neither the Greens nor any other party seem to understand that all they are doing is playing in to the hands of those right wing extremist positions. It infuriates me beyond comparison and makes me actually mad.

And “the other side” just get’s foam around their mouth (wahrscheinlich noch was, was man anders übersetzen müsste, ich bin aber gerade zu verärgert um das ordentlich zu tun - sorry) and put’s you in to the same corner. Which is not only absolutely stupid, it also damages Democracy, Free Speech and also our society - probably on the same level as Climate Change itself, because in the end, does it matter if we bash our heads in because of climate change (no water, no food) or because we disagree? Both things can be avoided.

Oh, she’s extremist compared to the political center. Just as people in favor of women’s suffrage were in the early 20th century.

Doesn’t make her wrong though. It’s just damning for the majority.

From what I gather, blocking an oil port is extremist and doesn’t actually do anything but make life more difficult for the general population.

From that perspective I can agree with him. Blockading an oil port is an extreme approach to combating climate change. More sensible approaches would be figuring out how to lobby governments to tax fossil fuels and use that money to support renewable resources.

Both extremes are the same.

You slicing the world into exactly two categories (not three or five or seventy trillion but TWO) is divisive and counterproductive.

Ah good old oil company propaganda where it’s every single individual’s responsibility to fix climate change.

You’re incredibly naive if you think we can solve climate change with your wishful thinking instead of political action to regulate production, circularize the economy, build cities that don’t make you need to drive a car if you want to get anywhere, etc etc etc.

There’s no such thing as fixing a systemic issue without animosity with the people who profit from said system.

One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies.

You want the path of least resistance, which it is too late for. She has suggested a lot of things previously.

because the term “stopping climate change” is wrong

oh fun, a pedant.

so if its not the fight against manmade climate change that you have issue with, what is her basic goal that you disagree with?

And now here we both are now sitting at “scores” below zero. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn’t bring reddit’s rabid overzealous hateful groupthink with it. It would be really nice if we could discuss this like adults but no, I guess we should go fuck off and die instead.