Pfft.
You seem to be under the utterly idiotic impression, that pro-palistinians will vote for Trump, someone who will continue to kill Palestinians. You are saying that just because people want one candidate to be better, and stop committing genocide, that they will vote for someone who will worsen the genocide. Almost all pro-palistinians are still voting for Harris, they just want her to pledge to stop a genocide that the US government is aiding. There is no logical process for you to have used to reach this idea. You are simply a zionist looking for approval.
Yeah, wtf, I thought I was going crazy reading this post. Palestinian protesters aren’t going to vote for Trump, and them protesting the DNC is not going to increase his chances of winning.
They should keep protesting and putting pressure on the Democratic party. They should vote for Harris, but keep up the pressure, and not listen to people like OP.
Also, imagine thinking that Palestinian protestors are doing it to feel superior. They’re doing it because their tax dollars have gone toward a genocide that has thus far killed 40k people. They have no choice that their money goes toward this shit. They should not have to think about whether their protest will hurt an election campaign, nor should they care. They care that their country (even when there is a Democratic president) is arming a genocide and doesn’t seem like it has much plans to stop.
them protesting the DNC is not going to increase his chances of winning.
That is planely false. This election is likely to be a very close one, dictate by a handful of votes in a few key swing states. Because that’s how it pretty much always is, especially in these last few elections. Even if these protest change only a small amount of votes, it will have a massive effect on the chances.
Also, imagine thinking that Palestinian protestors are doing it to feel superior.
That may not be the explicit goal. However the never Harris crowd is putting women, the LGBT, the environment, the poor, and other people at risk because their own comfort is more important to them. Yes, Harris is fucking terrible. But the deaths of Palestinians will be worse under Trump, and will also lead to the deaths of more people over all. It is a trolly problem that they’re willing to let more people die on, because they want to feel superior than those who are willing to pull the lever to save lives.
Here, I’ll just copy paste the bit that I wrote on “why” that’s not a good idea before the election is over and done with.
They are absolutely NOT the good guys. Israel is having a smaller scale preview of what we’d see if we had the same scenario happen under a Trump presidency. We should try to curb their worst instincts, but you have to win the bloody election first to do it, and somehow account for the fact that the majority of Americans do not give a shit about Palestine.
The last poll I saw on the issue, is that ranking issues from most important to least, Palestine ranked around #9. Behind everything from Immigration, Economy, Women’s rights etc. And opposing them is one of the most powerful special interest groups that exist in the US today, in a country that loves money in politics so much that we legalized bribery.
In short, the majority of Americans do not give a fuck about Palestine. And AIPAC is one of the most well funded, well connected special interest groups in the US. If Harris says that now? She absolutely loses the election.
It’s not an accident that some of the most vocal Pro-Palestinian voices in congress were primaried.
In that political climate, the best you can do is to do harm mitigation and make sure Republicans aren’t in the driver’s seat come 2025.
Yes, I’m being pragmatic. And I’d fucking hope you would be too, when millions of lives are at stake. I donated to Palestine for 20 years. Even back when I was living on a shoestring budget while I was in college. Do the feel good shit AFTER 11/20. I’ll be right there with you.
And for the love of god, vote.
Nobody gives a shit about nonvoters in this country. If you wanted to actually affect policy, a half a dozen congressmen that are willing to throw a wrench in things to get their way goes a LOT further than useless yammering about how you’re not going to vote because ‘both sides are bad’. We needed a few more, but we just lost two that we already had, because folks decided they’d rather talk shit than bother showing up for the primaries.
A couple of Blue Dogs managed to derail single payer healthcare. We could absolutely do the same for the Palestinian issue, if you could be bothered to get off your ass and vote. Sure, they’ll lose their seats in the next election, just like the blue dogs did, but the job will be done. In the meantime, how about we don’t throw out the baby with the bath water, because if Trump wins, there won’t be anything or anyone left to save.
Did you not read my comment? Everything I said was about the fact that most pro-Palestinians are still voting for Harris, but just want her to be a good person.
You want her to commit political suicide before winning an election.
I’m with you. I agree with you that Israel needs to chill the fuck out. But instead of just going with my feelings, I also looked at the polls. Most Americans don’t care, and AIPAC is very, VERY well funded. And US politics runs on money. And most of the folks that would decide the election? The ‘swing’ voters that can’t make up their mind on whether or not they’re voting for Harris or Trump even after he tried to overthrow the government in 2020? A lot of them think Palestinians are just terrorists. They’re looking at the news the right wing is funding of Palestinian/Muslim protests in Europe and thinking, “Well fuck, I don’t want those nutjobs over here?”
Giving that endorsement right now would be a dream come true for Republicans. They’d finally have the attack angle they need.
Harris says that now? She loses. Trump is president, and Palestine is even more fucked than they are now. And everyone else gets fucked with them too. You want the Democrats to change course? You have to change that calculus first. Until you can prove that you vote in greater numbers, and more consistently than the brain dead ‘swing’ voters in middle America, nothing will change. Promising you’re not going to vote is the absolute worst thing you could do in that situation.
I’m being realistic about the state of the country I live in. You’re not. This isn’t the time for pie-in-the-sky idealistic bullshit. If Trump wins, we’re all fucked. We’re not going to get a do-over if we lose this one.
Over 55% support at least conditional aid to Israel. The notion that most Americans don’t care about the genocide in Gaza is entirely false. Just because it’s not a top issue when comparing to others like immigration or abortion does not mean voters don’t care. The anti-genocide protestors are Democratic Voters, they are likely voters. These are the kind of voters that go door knocking, the kind of voters you want if you want to win a campaign.
Pivoting left on Gaza is critical if Harris wants to secure a Victory. Hundreds of thousands of likely voters all over swing states would be gained of Harris makes Israel a partisan issue. That pivot would gain her massive support and momentum, especially in critical swing states. It’s correct on a moral standpoint, it’s correct on a political standpoint, it’s also correct on the standpoint of international law.
An April 2024 poll of likely voters across the U.S. found that 30% strongly supported withholding military funds to Israel until the attacks on Gaza stop; another 25% somewhat supported that conditional aid policy.
Below we asked all respondents what minimum combination of policies would secure (for non-Biden voters) or solidify (for Biden voters) a vote for Biden for President. A third or more voters in every state except Minnesota said a lasting ceasefire was among the minimum policies that would be needed to secure solidify their votes
Although voters are split on whether they approve or disapprove of Biden’s handling of the war, the vast majority (≥ ~75%) across all states still support an immediate and permanent ceasefire. Only a small minority of voters, from 11.2% to 16.1% in Minnesota and Pennsylvania, respectively, strongly approve of the President’s approach on Gaza. Of those, the vast majority in each state (≥64%) strongly support an immediate and permanent ceasefire. That is to say, a change in approach would not lose those votes, but staying on the current path risks doing so.
