Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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Taking Israel’s side is like taking Russia’s side.

Both are objectively doing the same thing.

That is the Tankie position. End justifies the means. Fascism is justified.

It’s you.

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awful take

gaslighting a Nation into thinking they’re at fault for you killing their people is fucking awful

Do you also think that the US is responsible for 9/11?

Or Russia is at fault for the Terror Attack on the Opera recently?

No, trying to twist the truth so that the anti-western side is the good one, trying to defend them, that is the real tankie stance

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The US knew that a major attack was being planned by bin laden months before 9/11. Bush, purposefully or ignorantly, ignored or minimized these warnings directly leading to the attack.

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There’s also the aspect of it where the US funded and trained bin Laden prior to the attack because he was useful to us in the 80’s.

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And the US warned Russia of the Moscow Attack

Does that mean that the US/Russia is responsible for the Terror attack against them?

Please don’t talk around it. “I think that yes/no [because …]”

Because I think that Terror Attacks are always the fault of the Terrorists killing people

The same way I think that incidents of rape are always the fault of the rapist and never the victim.

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Pretty sure my take is the opposite.

But yeah if you think that we were blameless on 9/11 disregards the history of US foreign politicy.

And Israel? Pretty sure that the last 70 years of illegal occupation had nothing to do with October 7th, right? Or “self defense” lasting 11 months? Getting pretty close to operation Iraqi Freedom there bud.

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Whatever the US may have done does not justify the killing of thousands of civilians. If that was the way the world worked than any civilian deaths the US inflicted after 9/11 are also justified by the same logic.

Rationalizations of terrorist acts is really insane. There’s no moral high ground you can gain from this, the best you can accomplish is to say “both sides are bad” which accomplishes nothing.

Far better to denounce terrorism and work to make a distinction between the terrorists and people that have harmed who are not terrorists.

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Um genocide is bad?

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