Let’s say just like for example like MacOS. It’s awesome we have so many tools but at the same time lack of some kind of standardization can seem like nothing works and you get overwhelmed. I’m asking for people that want to support Linux or not so tech-savy people.

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That’s also true but also impossible. Linux isn’t a for profit company.

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What are you even talking about? Anyone can sell a PC with pre-installed Linux. There are already several companies today so just that.

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Let me clarify myself

*It’s impossible to get big corporate guys attention so they ship Linux by default and it’s clearly tested. For now the Valve, System76, Framework and Tuxedo are exception.

Edit: Also I was keeping in mind corporate entity behind OS.

  • Apple - MacOS
  • Microsoft - Windows
  • ? - Linux
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Dell sells PC’s with Linux installed.

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The big guys won’t sell Linux to consumers because of Microsoft’s anticompetitive practices. That’s the main thing that’s holding back Linux acceptance right now. But if some big player (e.g. Valve) would take the leap, things might get interesting.

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“It’s impossible. Let me list 4 exceptions though”

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Dell have at times sold laptops with Linux pre installed.

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I’ve seen this type of question elsewhere. Why is it an issue?

Standardisation? Corporate Linux? Just like the big boys? Big fish eat little fish.

Careful what you ask for . .

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Perhaps someone could make a business of it then.

Chromebooks sold well enough. Google made $30 billion on that in 2023.

Anyone willing to put together a physical Linux machine, market and support it could take a chunk of that.

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No major OEM will do a consumer Linux PC because MS will punish them with Windows licence pricing. You’d have to be a newcomer that’s not beholden to MS. At the same time, you’d need a shitload of cash to start a hardware business with enough volume to get into big box stores. That’s why it hasn’t happened yet

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For me it was always a niche that wasn’t taken full advantage of.

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Chromebooks never really made sense outside of schools and old people.

The OS is hyper limited to essentially just a web browser, and android apps (so just a web browser). Nobody wants to buy premium hardware to use with just Chrome. But at the same time it’s Chrome, so you really need at least a good chunk of RAM. So it really just limits you to the super light use cases, but those could realistically be replaced by a tablet.

The other day we saw an extremely odd device at malwart. They had a $270 laptop/tablet hybrid thing with a fairly nice OLED display, and a snapdragon CPU that should have been more that sufficient. But 128gb of EMMC storage, and 4 gigs of ram. Such wasted potential. It would make a nice RDP machine I guess.

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lol wtf are you talking about? You can literally take $100 off the price of a computer just because it’s not bundled with a Winderps license - the price is straight up lower because the license cost is $0. You can order some models like this straight from Dell or Lenovo or whatever.

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OEMs aren’t paying $100 per license. They’re also making deals with McAfee/Norton/whatever to package a bunch of extra crap on your windows laptop to lower the price further.

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I don’t see it as impossible. Like various brands are distributed with windows, various brands can be distributed with various Linux distros, customizable by distro and features, pre-order. These brands can work out a donation contract with distros.

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Yes, but also companies say that Linux support is not worth it (gaining money and spending on the support) compared to - slapping barely working Windows port and call it a day.

For now Linux support is more like pleasant surprise than a official respected thing.

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I bet when demand crosses a certain threshold, support supply will quickly follow, gatekeepers bedamned.

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If you sell a Linux machine to consumers, Microsoft will screw you over on Windows licencing. No current OEM will risk that.

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Contacts end and contracts begin. While it may be a good while, I think we are goingseeing large corporations like Microsoft enter autophagy.

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