Really you don’t need to read more than one chart:

If you vote for anyone other than Harris, you’re voting for Trump:

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Why do other countries get more than two choices but we cant?

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FPTP

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Why would anyone support FPTP

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Never said I did

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Because many poeple have decided to uphold the notion America is somehow more complex than other first world nations that magically figured out things like multiple parties, universal healthcare, automatic tax forms, minimum wage that is enough to live on, and state protected maternity leave.

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Largely it has to do with the form of government. Countries with many (too many?) choices are Parliamentary forms of government:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_system

The US is a Presidential system, not a Parliamentary one.

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No most of them started out as monarchies so they cant have parliaments. That would be a change in how the government functions, and that’s impossible.

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No most of them started out as monarchies so they cant have parliaments. That would be a change in how the government functions, and that’s impossible

Well that’s not true at all. Parliamentary monarchies are absolutely a thing, the UK being one.

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Constitutional Monarchies are still a parliamentary form of government. See England as a prime example.

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That is just bullshit. While your president is powerful, a lot of the power of government resides within the parliament itself.

As long as US media calls candidates of other parties as “independents” your political system stais a fucked up mono party system.

To change the Satus quo, laws must put in place, like in other countries that force media to represent all parties.

In addition you have to stop with this excessive money dependent political campaigns.

Those are gatekeeping tactics designed to keep the power in the hands of the two major parties.

There is no reason why your system could not work with more competitors.

edit: also, using a voting mechanism that was good in times before telegraph, telephone and internet makes it nearly impossible for smaller parties to get anything out of an election.

There is no reason not to use the popular vote. None!

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The Electoral College system blocks using the popular vote. Changing that means changing the Constitution.

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There are lots of competitors in US elections, but most are eliminated during the primaries.

When you have more than two candidates in the final round, the winner may not represent the will of the people. You can end up with a majority preferring A to B, a majority preferring B to C, and a majority preferring C to A. No matter who wins, the majority can identify a preferable candidate.

In fact, Kenneth Arrow mathematically proved that multiparty elections will always produce paradoxical results like that. That’s why the winners of multiparty elections are often decided by elite kingmakers, eg Macron.

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K

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Voters convinced via gaslighting and propaganda they have no other choice.

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TIL that “scientifically being able to prove the FPTP system the US uses will always devolve into a two-party system and make third-party candidates nothing more than spoilers” is “gaslighting” and “third-parties who do fuck-all for four years and curiously only show up to run for president instead of GOTV pushes and trying to win elections at local levels to build support for their party” is propaganda.

Who knew? Well, aside from everyone who knows how the US system is set up and isn’t arguing in bad faith, that is.

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