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Doesn’t help that Bidens border policy is almost exactly Trumps policy but elected Democrats stopepd caring about the camps after Biden won. Now no ones fighting. Xenophobia has a cozy home in both parties.

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Not to beat a dead horse but…

This joke made it into Family Guy because of the sheer insanity of the US populace at the time. Everyone knows the next few frames are everyone in the crowd cheering like crazy for this obvious fucking statement.

Even Democrats would accuse you of “supporting the terrorists” if you were anti-war. Bush won the popular vote in 2004 because of the war, and called it a mandate.

Bush had even considered using anti-terrorism laws to target fucking Quakers who protest war because non-violence is a central tenet of their fucking religion. Nobody batted a fucking eye.

So yes, racism, xenophobia, and violence has always had a home in both US parties.

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This wasn’t isolated to the Democrats and Republicans, IIRC it was the prevailing opinion across the nation irrespective of party.

I’m sure there were Independents, and <insert minority group here> that were out there also looking for blood in the moment. I wouldn’t say because racism/xenophobia/violence exists within a group, it always has a home w/ said group (unless there was a vast majority that held the same belief) and so I’m always prone to push back when ppl paint w/ such a broad brush.

I think that these generalizations that insinuate that both sides are equally inviting racism/xenophobia/violence does a disservice to the nuances of reality and encourage nihilsm/indifference.

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I do think there is nuance in accepting that the plan when there’s 20K crossing per month is different when the number spikes 10x to 200k. Dems were unprepared for enforcing policy when things shifted to record numbers for sure, but I wouldn’t classify that as ‘not caring’.

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AOC, under trump, toured the facilities (facilities that predated the Trump admin btw) and demanded acces to many of them while people tried to stop her. Interesting no ones doing that under biden despite there being no changes in the law, the facilities, the agents, or even the higher ups of the agency. That’s textbook not caring, nothing changed except Democrats desire to insure the wellbeing of migrants.

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Does AOC need to visit a border to talk immigration when migrants are being bused into NYC daily? Curious if you live in a place where migrants are being bussed or not, because I do, and the reason no one is talking about migrant camps at the border is because they have migrant populations within the neighborhoods in a way that they didn’t pre-covid. There’s two migrants w/ toddlers less than two blocks from my apartment that panhandle daily. There’s migrants panhandling outside of the places I grocery shop and the bars that I frequent downtown. Immigration is tangible in a way that it wasn’t pre-Covid

I think that, irrespective of party, Americans across the board have become more concerned about immigration, partially due to fear-mongering by Republicans for sure, but also due to Democratic strongholds getting a steady flow of immigrants (bussed in by Republicans, fwiw, but a level of immigration that they were not prepared for) and the conflicts for city resources and care have had an outsized impact on perspective/policy and expectations by the population as a whole. It isn’t that Democrats suddenly changed their perspective while everyone else remained the same. Every group of individuals polled increasingly became concerned about migration.

It’s easy to frame it as ‘Dems don’t care’, and I’m not sure what you identify as, but looking at the data, people who identify as Dems actually care more than Republicans and Independents.

I do not want to say that I am happy with the Dems accepting Republican-backed immigration policy positions but I do acknowledge just how unpopular immigration has become within Democratic circles let alone Republicans (and Independents who as a whole are historically more conservative than Democrats).

Curious what would you suggest as a tenable immigration solution in 2024 that you think would likely get backing from Republicans and Democrats?

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Maybe we could do something reasonable, like, I don’t know, taxing billionaires and super wealthy, corporations more. 🤷‍♀️

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This is literally part of Kamala Harris’ campaign? Are you not-American or just not-informed? https://portside.org/2024-08-23/kamala-harris-5-trillion-tax-plan

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