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Buncha actual Hamas adults attacked Israel and killed 815 civilians

“they include two infants, 12 other children under the age of 10, 36 civilians aged 10-19, and 25 elderly people over the age of 80.”

A response was appropriate. But THIS response is Vlad the Impaler levels of overkill. Israel of all nations should know that a brutal genocide will turn world support to its victims and radicalize its survivors.

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But THIS response is Vlad the Impaler levels of overkill.

I resent the comparison to one of my country’s most beloved leaders.

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The only day on the Israeli calendar.

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The victims fought back, which is not allowed

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There is fighting back, and then there is their response.

Think of it like the Proud Boys went to Mexico and gunned down a small town and took hostages back to Texas. Mexico attacks the Proud Boys in response, then starts wiping out hospitals, schools, residential zones in Oklahoma and New Mexico, places and people that have nothing to do with the Proud Boys. And the world stands by and watches.

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Do you want a closer comparison? And you don’t even need to imagine.

The US army stealing land from natives and saying the natives are the bad guys because they retaliate against the occupation.

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The vast majority of Palestinians killed were women and children. Israel didn’t fight back against Hamas, it’s goal is Genocide and if Hamas disappears then Israel won’t have their precious excuse anymore.

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Not sure fighting back was the best move in this case, since it caused this sort of response. But it’s not really for me to do that math

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There are no good moves for the oppressed group in an apartheid state. Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist by the US for fighting against the South Africa apartheid state

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Palestine is actually an interesting A/B test: you have Gaza, that is resisting, and West Bank, that is collaborating, and you can compare the results:

  • Gaza is being subjected to periodical flare-ups of genocide, causing much consternation in the world media, and despite the world governments largely continuing to back Israel, the sheer mask-off nature of the violence seems to have caused the public opinion to shift.

  • West Bank is being subjected to constant low level ethnic cleansing, disposession, and removal. There are occasional pogroms, but overall it’s been quiet and ignorable. Consequently, most people forget they even exist, and those that do can get away with “hoping for peace”, thoughts-and-prayers style, as the removal continues.

You be the judge.

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