Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn’t spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.

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I really am more focused on the whole Prussian military organization structure and the coalition with the Freikorps, who were demonstrably anti-democratic monarchist military groups in direct coalition with the Ebert government. It is such a major component to the whole SPD-KPD relationship that was so bad it led to Thallman actively supporting Hitler.

The Freikorps was such a major component to the SPD-KPD relationship that… almost a decade after the Freikorps had been effectively disbanded, it FORCED Thalmann, coming into power in a KPD that had had a very productive relationship with the SPD for the past 8 or so years, to cooperate with the literal Nazis.

Fucking insane.

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The whole organization of the German (prussian) military was not just Freikorps. That whole machination which Ebert helped maintain is what I am explicitly referencing and including. Even so: that period of time where Freikorps effectively disbanded was when they converted into orgs like Consul or the SA starting in the 1920s. That component isn’t as fragmented or inconsequential as it may seem. There is continuity there and it isn’t insane to know about it.

KPD that had had a very productive relationship with the SPD for the past 8 or so years

They really did not. The SPD fucked up Weimar by working with all the right wing factions in the 20s and then the KPD fucked up by working with the right wing faction in the 30s. The united front collapsed in like 1922, or at least by the 1924 elections and definitely by the time Hindenburg was president from 1925.

The fraught politics of post war Germany was so chaotic that it resulted in something so crazy and insane to a modern reviewer: the KPD actively supporting Hitler like it was going to work out.

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Even so: that period of time where Freikorps effectively disbanded was when they converted into orgs like Consul or the SA starting in the 1920s. That component isn’t as fragmented or inconsequential as it may seem. There is continuity there and it isn’t insane to know about it.

The idea of comparing the Freikorps with the SA is insane. Consul was disbanded in 1922 by government repression. But hey, who gives a fuck about facts when you can play Bothsides™ games?

They really did not.

Oh, okay, so the period between 1920-1928 just didn’t exist, cool cool cool.

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The period of time where the KPD became Stalinist and Thalmann took over? When the Nazis became powerful with th3 support of the ebtrenched hyper right wing? That’s the context I am getting at. That period of time was the SPD hemorraging support in all directions, be it to KPD or NSDAP. Like, I am highlighting the absurdity of the 1930s KPD position here that the failings to stop the Nazis thus far led to Thallman thinking that absurd policy had a shot.

The SA 100% grew out of Freikorps.

And 1920-1928 is not the 8 years prior to 1931, or a half decade.

Being so loosey goosey with these things doesn’t mesh with the kinds of statements you keep making here.

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