Lemdro.id

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2 months ago

None of the above conditions apply to religions in general…

Or any kind of philosophy, for that matter. You can always play at God of the Gaps and insist the scientific worldview is incomplete. You can always lean on the Gödel’s incompleteness theorem to assert a certain amount of unknowableness in the universe.

Does that mean every effort at understanding the world around us is pointless? Or does it mean the task of building a working model of the universe is more difficult than any single lifetime - or civilization’s worth of lifetimes - can hope to accomplish?

if one of them is right in someway, it would 100% be a matter of perspective and context

Which seems like it would add some degree of value to our overarching understanding of our human condition. Something worth studying and learning from, rather than casually dismissing as wrong for being incomplete.

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exanime@lemmy.world

1 point

2 months ago

I have no idea what you are shooting at with this latest goal post move.

I simply stated your analogy was a poor strawman you used to attack the original point

Does that mean every effort at understanding the world around us is pointless? Or does it mean the task of building a working model of the universe is more difficult than any single lifetime - or civilization’s worth of lifetimes - can hope to accomplish?

Where the hell did I even come close to suggest the contrary?

Which seems like it would add some degree of value to our overarching understanding of our human condition.

Absolutely. Get some proof and we’ll talk. But that’s not what you want, you want to define your own version and expect the world around you to follow suit

Something worth studying and learning from, rather than casually dismissing as wrong for being incomplete.

Study it all you want. Just don’t make civil law based on it

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2 months ago

Get some proof and we’ll talk.

Proof of lived experience and philosophical conjecture?

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exanime@lemmy.world

1 point

2 months ago

Proof of lived experience and philosophical conjecture?

Neither… get proof that religion is right/accurate. That is what we are talking about and what I replied with “get proof”. No need to move the goal post.

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2 months ago

get proof that religion is right

How do you prove a moral philosophy is correct?

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exanime@lemmy.world

1 point

2 months ago

That’s precisely the point bud.

You cannot and therefore we should not use religion (in this instance) to write laws… it would be like banning musical genres based on my taste

I do not agree with the original quote from Hitchen that every religion must be wrong (although I do not think any are right since they are all just made up stories) but I do believe that should be left to people’s personal choice and not a centimeter more.

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2 months ago

You cannot and therefore we should not use religion (in this instance) to write laws…

Strictly speaking, we don’t. Legislation has to be in line with the constitutional authority of the acting branch.

But when you talk about rationales for that action, there’s no filter that exists to screen an individual’s religiously informed ideology from their legislative, judicial, or executive behavior.

Hell, given the nature of popular democracy, there can’t be. What are you going to do? Establish a religious exclusion test for candidates? For voters? Who would support that in a country with enormously influential and active religious organizations?

I do believe that should be left to people’s personal choice

When large numbers of people engage in the same personal choices, they create an implicit policy. When state officials campaign, they appeal to the local customs and taboos. And those customs/taboos become laws, on the ground that they service some useful social function.

What prevents this snowball from forming? Are you going to forbid a plurality of people from propagating their views?

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