10-year-old Fatima Jaafar Abdullah was killed in pager explosions in Lebanon.

Israel murders another kid again.

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I get going after your ‘enemy,’ but this is even worse than firing randomly into a crowd of Palestinians. They pushed a button not knowing who would die. This is low, even for them.

I can’t even think of a devil’s advocate argument for this.

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I believe the devil’s advocate argument would be that, based on Hezbollah’s internal communications, the Mossad intercepted a shipment of pagers which were being purchased to replace their (potentially compromised) mobile phones, knowing that these were - in theory - being distributed exclusively to Hezbollah operatives. That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.

Everyone who launches a rocket is accepting the possibility of “collateral damage”, but this is surely the most surgical of surgical strikes in history. And yet, yes, they must have accepted the risk of bystander casualties, which just serves to highlight how awful that logic is. It’s definitely not worse than randomly firing into a crowd, though.

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That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.

Pretty sure that honor still goes to the R9X Slap Chop. The pager explosions, on the other hand, injured thousands.

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Fat electrician had a great video on this.

Soo accurate that if the target is in a car you need to know what seat.

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I guess I should have qualified that to exclude individual assassinations, otherwise you’d have to include snipers and whatever. I almost don’t believe that “knife missile” is real (quotation marks because the only real knife missiles are Culture technology).

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I really don’t get it. Other than the “WAOW” factor, this certainly can’t have been a good use of resources for Israel.

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I feel like people are missing one of the more heinous aspects of this, which is that it injured thousands of people and only managed to kill ~10 of their targets. The outcome of this attack is going to be general terror and potentially hundreds of life altering injuries but very little military advantage.

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The advantage is huge. 1000s of militants are now seriously injured and are no longer battle ready. Many will never be again. Massive success for Israel, and one of the most precision strikes ever used. Now there will be fear from any communication devise exploding, there will be 1000s of man hours wasted taking other stuff apart to check it, and morale will be down as well.

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How did something that only killed 10 targets injure thousands, especially when you are considering explosives.

I don’t think I could injure 1000s of civilians with only 10 targets killed with an explosive hidden on their person if I tried.

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They injured thousands of their targets, killed a few, and only got very little collateral damage

Nasrallah would shit down his prophet’s throat to get this kind of outcome

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Correct.

Killing civilians isn’t a war crime. Deliberately killing civilians, or not taking reasonable steps to minimize civilian casualties is a war crime.

“Small” explosive that is embedded in something passed to and likely worn by the target is unlikely to be a war crime. If they somehow snuck a 1000lb bomb into one it absolutely would be however.

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Booby trapping objects associates with daily civilian use is a war crime

These pagers were distributed to doctors and nurses, so I would also argue that they were booby trapping medical supplies, which are protected.

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Turns out they weren’t.

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It’s literally a war crime to attack people who are not actively participating in combat. That includes people who are members of your enemy’s military.

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That includes people who are members of your enemy’s military.

No, members of an enemy’s military are combatants regardless of whether they’re holding a gun or in a firefight at the time. The only exception is personnel such as chaplains and medics.

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It is a war crime to intentionally attack non-combatants.

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That is absolutely not true. An easy example to disprove your argument would be the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. The American Navy was caught completely by surprise. At the end of the war, there were some Japanese tried for war crimes, but not for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

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That would make every crime a war crime going back thousands of years where they would lay siege on villages until the citizens starved

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Not that I think the Israel is the good guy in this conflict, but your argument is pretty weak.

Pager are designed to be trackable. If you have such deep access to these devices, you know exactly who got called by whom and when.

Yes, there will be collateral damage, but that’s almost a given in any armed conflict.

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If these were one-way pagers,they are not easy to track, as they don’t transmit messages, but only receive and display them.

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…and you know which telephone numbers send data to the pager and at which time. That is sufficient to track or identify individuals.

If this is a supply chain attack, the attacker already knows, which pagers are part of the organization they want to target.

What this thread here shows really well, is that the general population vastly underestimates the abilities of intelligence agencies and technology in general.

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So which armed conflict in the middle of Beirut are you talking about now?

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Maybe the guys shooting rockets at Israel?

Don’t play dumber than you are.

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YoUrE ArGuMeNt is WeAk

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