Comment by H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml on Many such cases

Fun fact: The United States actually has more than 2 parties

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Oh, please tell me which third party candidate not only has a real shot at this election but is also not just a far-right grifter in disguise.

Pretty much all but the libertarian party. Turns out if enough people vote for a candidate they get elected. Weird huh?

This message brought to you by Jill Stein who pops up every four years to grift money and accomplish nothing except cozying up to Putin. I guess there is still the brain worm dead animal guy?

Third parties in the US are unserious. I wish that weren’t the case but that’s the reality.

Let’s steel man your argument and say you’re 100% correct. Throwing away your vote or not voting is still morally better than voting for someone who won’t commit to not enabling a genocide.

And that’s assuming your predicate is correct, which it’s not.

You can fight the trolley itself instead of justifying supporting genocide.

PS this is the real world not a meme. Political power is not a trolley problem, it is a matter of organization and education. You disempower yourself and others by pretending you can only backseat cheerlead a genocide. Instead of supporting this, go and join an organization that is actually opposing it and start doing work.

In the US, every student is eventually presented with lessons on the Holocaust and asked to think about what they would do. Right now, to be honest, your answer would have to be, “support it using poorly thought out propaganda”.

Very long way of saying you’re looking forward to trump being in power again and forever taking away your right to vote.

My comment already contradicts your response, even with its inventions. Please try to address what I say rather than making things up.

You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.

I’m saying that’s awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?

You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.

Of course voting is not the only course of action. Voting is incredibly little. What, you check a box? Maybe wait a few hours at most to get into a pilling station? Dear God.

This is an incredibly limited amount of political action, particularly given the way in which box checking translates into any political action (electoral college, media monopolies, biased education, wage slavery limiting political education, campaigns built on donations from capital).

I’m saying that’s awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?

You actually do political work. You become educated and join an organization that does more than act as a sheepdog that turns alienatuon into genocide votes.

And in the end Trump wins the vote and you lose your oppurtunity to do any real politcal work! Congrats.

Very short way of saying you will never lift a finger other than to vote even if Trump takes away your right to vote.

Absolutely. But you should also flip that switch real quick before getting to work fighting it. Just in case.

No, you shouldn’t, because this is the real world and not a trolley problem. Providing electoral support to genociders helps to entrench them and these discussions have the wrong framing when it comes to how political power works. I already mentioned this. Did you read my comment?

Yes you absolutely should. If you can effortlessly vote for the lesser evil in a way that doesn’t take anything away from the other fight, just do it real quick. Any argument to the contrary is accelerationism.

If you are an accelerationist, then get bent, you’re wrong.

Backseat cheerleading genociders, and telling other people to do so, is not helping. It makes you complicit and spreads a false and anemic idea of how political power works. You should be fighting them, not doing mental gymnastics for how you can still justify supporting genociders.

There is nothing strategic in what you are describing, it is actually self-defeating and this is why you are told this logic from on high.

As I originally said, join an org and fo actual work against genociders. Be part of the solution, not part of the genocide-excusing problem.

There’s no mental gymnastics to flipping that switch real quick, then fighting the real fight. It’s you who’s doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to. The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

you: “Yes you absolutely should tacitly support genocide. If you don’t tacitly support genocide then you’re an accelerationist.”

There are other candidates you can vote for that are vastly lesser evils than both the fascist democrats and fascist republicans; candidates who are not actively funding and perpetrating genocide but actually, get this, opposing it. If instead of voting for one of those, you still choose to support a party committing genocide, you aren’t just an accelerationist and wrong, you’re fucking despicable, evil.

False. It’s too late. We’re a month away from the election. Vote Kamala, the lesser evil, then join the Bernie campaign or the DSA to make some real change over the next 4 years. Now is pragmatically not the time for such battles. Know when to fold em.

Let’s pretend for a second that voting blue would stop the slaughter at “just” the Palestinians (it doesn’t).

If you think you’re knowingly sacrificing an entire people to annihilation just so save your own skin, and you can not only live with that but argue in favor of it instead of redacting your entire government, you’re a fucking nazi. Peddle your them-or-us genocide support somewhere else you blue maga piece of shit.

There was a nazipost here

It’s gone now

Amerikkkan lives mean nothing to me if those lives support genocide. I welcome the harm that will befall genocide-collaborating settlers.

Just openly admitting you support genocide. Disgusting. And don’t even pretend you care about anyone represented in the bottom half of the image; if Democrats said murdering trans folks was necessary to beat Trump, you’d support that too.

If Democrats said murdering trans folks was necessary to beat Trump that means the overton window is too far gone and I’d be looking to ship as many trans folks out of the country as I could manage with my means. If and when it reaches that point, US democracy would be too far gone to even consider saving it. I don’t believe it is right now, as flawed as it is currently. Which is why engaging in harm reduction is still worth it.

Maybe if any of you harm reducing fools grew a backbone and had some principles on who you’ll vote for we wouldn’t have to think about when that will happen in the US. Watching the Dems slide further and further right while saying they’re better than Republicans is not helping anyone, especially future Americans

So you believe murdering Palestinians is okay, then, if we aren’t “too far gone” yet.

US democracy would be too far gone to even consider saving it.

Always has been

Harm reduction for me (Imperial Core citizen) but not for thee (2+ million Palestinian men, women and children).

Time to sieze the trolley and build new tracks.

A more accurate picture would have all of the people on the republican track on the democrat track too, just covered with a tarp to conceal their real aims.

Also, tha US flag shouldn’t be on either track since neither of the two right wings of the capitalist party would dare throw away the empire that furthers their and their masters’ (the capitalist class) interests.

I have a plan, hear me out,

Real life.

Is not.

A fucking.

Trolley problem.

You are actually allowed to break the car and turn off the power.

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