Comment by TheOubliette@lemmy.ml on Many such cases

You can fight the trolley itself instead of justifying supporting genocide.

PS this is the real world not a meme. Political power is not a trolley problem, it is a matter of organization and education. You disempower yourself and others by pretending you can only backseat cheerlead a genocide. Instead of supporting this, go and join an organization that is actually opposing it and start doing work.

In the US, every student is eventually presented with lessons on the Holocaust and asked to think about what they would do. Right now, to be honest, your answer would have to be, “support it using poorly thought out propaganda”.

Absolutely. But you should also flip that switch real quick before getting to work fighting it. Just in case.

No, you shouldn’t, because this is the real world and not a trolley problem. Providing electoral support to genociders helps to entrench them and these discussions have the wrong framing when it comes to how political power works. I already mentioned this. Did you read my comment?

Yes you absolutely should. If you can effortlessly vote for the lesser evil in a way that doesn’t take anything away from the other fight, just do it real quick. Any argument to the contrary is accelerationism.

If you are an accelerationist, then get bent, you’re wrong.

you: “Yes you absolutely should tacitly support genocide. If you don’t tacitly support genocide then you’re an accelerationist.”

There are other candidates you can vote for that are vastly lesser evils than both the fascist democrats and fascist republicans; candidates who are not actively funding and perpetrating genocide but actually, get this, opposing it. If instead of voting for one of those, you still choose to support a party committing genocide, you aren’t just an accelerationist and wrong, you’re fucking despicable, evil.

False. It’s too late. We’re a month away from the election. Vote Kamala, the lesser evil, then join the Bernie campaign or the DSA to make some real change over the next 4 years. Now is pragmatically not the time for such battles. Know when to fold em.

“Now is not the time to oppose genocide.”

Your reprehensibility is confirmed. History will look upon people like you as on those who supported Nazis but pretended the concentration camps were just a bit much.

Backseat cheerleading genociders, and telling other people to do so, is not helping. It makes you complicit and spreads a false and anemic idea of how political power works. You should be fighting them, not doing mental gymnastics for how you can still justify supporting genociders.

There is nothing strategic in what you are describing, it is actually self-defeating and this is why you are told this logic from on high.

As I originally said, join an org and fo actual work against genociders. Be part of the solution, not part of the genocide-excusing problem.

There’s no mental gymnastics to flipping that switch real quick, then fighting the real fight. It’s you who’s doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to. The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

There’s no mental gymnastics

You’re using a strained trolley problem analogy.

then fighting the real fight.

Anyone fighting the real fight has already been fighting and knows that your vote shaming for genociders is counterproductive.

It’s you who’s doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to.

How am I wrong?

The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

My post was not long lol. Though most of it was me repeating myself because your response didn’t address what I said. Same for this last response, too!

Very long way of saying you’re looking forward to trump being in power again and forever taking away your right to vote.

Very short way of saying you will never lift a finger other than to vote even if Trump takes away your right to vote.

My comment already contradicts your response, even with its inventions. Please try to address what I say rather than making things up.

You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.

I’m saying that’s awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?

You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.

Of course voting is not the only course of action. Voting is incredibly little. What, you check a box? Maybe wait a few hours at most to get into a pilling station? Dear God.

This is an incredibly limited amount of political action, particularly given the way in which box checking translates into any political action (electoral college, media monopolies, biased education, wage slavery limiting political education, campaigns built on donations from capital).

I’m saying that’s awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?

You actually do political work. You become educated and join an organization that does more than act as a sheepdog that turns alienatuon into genocide votes.

And in the end Trump wins the vote and you lose your oppurtunity to do any real politcal work! Congrats.

Trump was already president once and my political work was actually easier because liberals were outraged and could not understand the complicoty of their representatives. Their representatives merely reflect the cynical apathy of their position that is shielded when they are in power.

If Trump were an existential threat would you just be sitting around posting bad logic? You know he is just an incremental partial detriment in some ways and some vague miasma in other ways. Biden is, for example, a much more coherent genocidal Zionist, as is Harris.

Rather than quibble about how to appease one’s inner Eichmann, why not fight against it?

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