And in “tell Us Something we Didn’t Already Know” news.
If the green party even actually cared about the shit they purport to care about, they’d have been pro nuclear. That’s all I needed to hear in order to know they were worth absolutely none of my attention.
Nuclear energy is the most expensive type of energy, you could have way more wind and solar energy (stored in batteries or hydrogen) for the same investment. And without waste that keeps radiating for the next millenia.
Posting an extra comment to say nuclear waste is not an issue either. Here’s two good videos on the topic that show through example how much it isn’t an issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4aUODXeAM-k&pp=ygUXa3lsZSBoaWxsIG51Y2xlYXIgd2FzdGU%3D
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lhHHbgIy9jU&pp=ygUXa3lsZSBoaWxsIG51Y2xlYXIgd2FzdGU%3D
Additional comment against nuclear: water cooling, which is a real problem in a warming climate. Rivers will dry up or flood. And near the coast with rising sea levels is also difficult, using salt water. Besides, there are plenty of sustainable alternatives with a cheaper price tag, so why bother?
Nuclear is expensive because we’ve made it expensive. The most expensive part is bureaucracy. Running nuclear plants is cheap. Even still, the price of nuclear around the world is competitive. If you scroll down to the regional studies, nuclear looks even better. In every place except the US that has nuclear, nuclear is the second cheapest, with large-scale PV the only one higher (which doesn’t price in solutions to provide baseline power, which nuclear has built in). The US has (purposefully) made nuclear appear expensive because laws have been paid for by dirty oil companies.
Nuclear is also one of the safest and cleanest energy sources. If you include negative externalities into the cost (which is never done but should be) nuclear is amazing.
Nah, even the wikipage shows double the price compared to solar or wind. Which isn’t surprising when you look at the basic technology of each energy type. And they all have to deal with a lot of bureaucracy.
Yes, AND, Nuclear is also cheaper in cost of human lives per gigawatt hour!
EVEN SOLAR AND WIND KILL MORE PEOPLE PER GIGAWATT HOUR THAN NUCLEAR.
(Hydro admittedly kills less people per GWh than nuclear, though - but not every place has that option.)
Neither storage “solution” is currently adequate for fossil fuel replacement and may never be for high-density populations. Nuclear is less impactful than burning hydrocarbons or damming rivers and fearmongering about radioactive waste products isn’t helpful because, again, every nuclear accident or leak to date has been less harmful than normal exhaust from coal-burning plants and riparian habitat destruction.
If we had kept investing in an actual energy solution we would have gen-IV reactors already and the waste concerns would be even lower.
“Green” and “pro nuclear” go together like peas and carrots. Unless one flunked elementary school science class.
Nah nuclear is relatively easy to deal with the waste, ublike say oil. Plus ignoring it is a legit method of dealing with the problem, worst case ya dump it in Wyoming nobody lives in Wyoming.
Honestly though! Look at the region around Pripyat; that place is thriving.
Alternatively we could stash it in death valley where literally nothing lives, not even animals.
Stash, not drop: As nuclear technology progresses, we’ll get more efficient at using it as fuel and eventually the waste of today can become supplemental fuel of tomorrow, used much more thoroughly, and only be radioactive for a few hundred years instead of thousands.
They also be active more than one out of every four years. You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections. They’re spoilers. Nothing more.
The veil is lifted finally.
You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections.
Sure we do. In fact, my town voted Green into office.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @SyntaxTerror@feddit.org for the info)
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
- Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
- Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
- Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
- Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
- Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
- John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
- Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
- Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
Current Green Party Mayors
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
- Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
Former Green Party Mayors
- John Reed - Fairfax, California
- Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
- David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
- Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
- Robb Davis - Davis, California
- Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
- Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
- Jason West - New Paltz, New York
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
- Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
- David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
- Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
- Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
- Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
- Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
- David Grover - Trinidad, California
- Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
- John Keener - Pacifica, California
- Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
- Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
- Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
- George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
- Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
- George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
- Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
- Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
- Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
- Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
- Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
- Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
- Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
- Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
- Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
- Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
- Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
- Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
- Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
- Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
- Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
- Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
- Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
- Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
- Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
- Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
- Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
- Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
- Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
- Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
- Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
- Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Carl D’Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
- Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
- Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
- Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
- Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
- Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
- Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
- Vincent O’Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
- Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
- John Powell - Montecito, California
- Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
- Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
- Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
- Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
- Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
- Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
- Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
- John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
- Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Kim O’Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
- Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
- Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
- Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
- MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
So… you’re evidence is local elections? Tell us you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion without tell It’s you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion.
What did Stein or West do?
What might have had some efficacy as an auxiliary party is if the organization promoted specific extant primary candidates, perhaps. To assist more progressive candidates in becoming the nominees for various electoral races. AND in local elections, not JUST the big one every four years like you said!
We’ve seen this work (to our detriment) with the ‘tea party’ -_- all i’m saying is, it pisses me off that we leave that kind of weaponry on the table when these fucking chud scum manage to pull it off.
