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“it’s just supplemental” would have initially worked to describe us industry shifting out

investment is finite, so if you have the choice between a and b, investing more money in a is by definition investing in a at the expense of b

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“it’s just supplemental” would have initially worked to describe us industry shifting out

The difference being that China is not neoliberal. This does not coincide with deindustriakization, crushing unions, maximizing “free markets”, etc. It also does not correspond to anything like the regimes the US used to make offshoring in its own interests, namely to force imbalanced export economies on other countries premised on unequal exchange and a dollar-heavy (im)balance of payments. Worst case scenario of success is that other countries, particularly in Africa, develop industry, infrastructure, and good jobs while China gains trading partners and stays heavily industrialized, as they care for their real economy.

investment is finite, so if you have the choice between a and b, investing more money in a is by definition investing in a at the expense of b

At the level of entire countries this logic can break down. For example, third world countries have to figure out what to do with all these dollars they receive from their imbalanced export economies. You can’t just spend it on anything, yiur country needs to function and you can’t buy everything from everyone at fair prices this way.

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The difference being that China is not neoliberal

i’d respond to this paragraph but you really haven’t made a coherent argument past “us bad china good”

At the level of entire countries this logic can break down.

no, because resources are always finite. the resource doesn’t have to be “money”.

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i’d respond to this paragraph but you really haven’t made a coherent argument past “us bad china good”

Please try your best to engage in good faith and not make things up. There’s plenty for you to ask about or engage with if you have the interest.

no, because resources are always finite. the resource doesn’t have to be “money”.

The original topic was investment, which includes money and is relevant to the balanve of payments issue, particularly with African countries with th3 aforementioned imperialized economies. You cannot understand, for example, offshoring, without understanding unequal exchange, and this makes what might seem like a finite resource problem into one where you must think about coercion and graft and where production is directed.

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This problem only occurs in capitalist economies where finance capital directs development. Meanwhile, all the critical economy in China is state owned. In fact, the share of private industry in China has been shrinking. https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/chinas-private-sector-has-lost-ground-state-sector-has-gained-share-among

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it occurs when it’s economically more efficient to move industry out of your country than to keep it in

unless you’re suggesting china will willingly run the bulk of its industry with decreasing efficiency over time for the sake of keeping lower paying jobs domestically

These developments look increasingly structural. The authorities’ stance since 2020, including regulatory tightening and zero-COVID lockdowns, appear to have inflicted long-lasting damage to China’s private economy, the dynamism of which was a defining feature of its economic miracle in the past four decades. Nearly 20 months into China’s COVID reopening, the private sector has yet to bounce back, despite many pro-private business utterances and gestures from China’s leadership.

i’m not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy

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Again, you’re thinking from a perspective of a market economy which China is not.

i’m not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy

I’m sure that saving countless millions of lives and preventing people from becoming sick and turning into a strain on the healthcare system is actually very good for the economy.

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it occurs when it’s economically more efficient to move industry out of your country than to keep it in

It is not, generally speaking, more economically efficient to deindustrialize your own country. The logic you are using is neoliberal with “efficiency” meaning, “maximize profit for the financial sector”. This is an arrangement planned due to US-based economic crises and should not be projected onto China like some iron law. The US, as the global seat of capital, is uniquely harmful.

i’m not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy

The thing they wanted you to see were the statistics, not the guesswork and editorialization from that article.

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I disagree with your last point. A lot of companies should have sunk in covid and been consumed by more prepared ones. The governments didn’t want it to happen and they proved we actually live in a social net capitalist economy. This way if rich people accidentally lose we can remember socialism exists for them alone.

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