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An genuine employer who isn’t against unions and has their employees wellbeing as a top priority should encourage the employees to unionize.

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Fair point, well made. I would love to live in a world like this one day

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If I ever start a corporation and if for some reason it isn’t a workers co-op, I will make the employees unionize. I see little reason other than absolute profit maximization to not treat your employees as a great asset, assuming they’re doing reasonably well. But I’m a dirty socialist so…

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Dirty? Nah, you’re fresh as hell, comrade. Workers co-ops are great

I guess I have my own special version of pessimism where if I see an employer not actively hiring Pinkertons I think if it add a little w for workers these days

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I’m not convinced.

I have two uncles who worked for the same company, in different departments but in similar roles. Both were engineers, one was a CAE, and the other an ME. The CAE was not part of a union, and the ME was. They had a comparable lifestyle, so I assume they made a comparable salary (they live about a mile from each other, in a similarly sized house, drive similar cars, take similar amounts of vacations, etc).

Here’s the work history of my unionized uncle:

  • multiple unpaid strikes, where the main output was a marginal benefit to employees (from tertiary sources, it wasn’t worth the strike)
  • layoff (maybe 2? I don’t recall), and later rehire in a separate department (was laid off for months); this resulted in complications with the company pension (I think the pension got rolled into the 401k because the new group hadn’t negotiated a pension)
  • consistent work location - always worked at the same plant, except for a handful of visits to others

And here’s the work history of my non-unionized uncle:

  • no layoffs, and optional participation in strikes
  • inconsistent work location, but had some WFH flexibility in the last 15-ish years of employment (i.e. could work 9/80s, WFH one day/week, etc)
  • maintained control over retirement benefits, so retired with a pension and a 401k

This is obviously a very small sample, so it’s hardly enough evidence to say whether unions are a net positive or net negative. So whether a union is better for you depends on a lot of factors, such as:

  • role - white collar jobs benefit less from unions vs blue collar jobs
  • unions can suck, and non-unionized employers can rock; the latter can change overnight, whereas the former likely won’t
  • your best tool is your own personal skillset; regardless of whether you’re in a union, ensure your skills are up-to-date so you have a good chance of getting a new job should you lose yours

But one thing that should be universally true is that openly anti-union employers should be avoided.

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That wasn’t quite the point. What would be a good reason for a well meaning, rocking employer to not encourage unionization?

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Lots of reasons:

  • union dues
  • bureaucracy - need to go through the union
  • unwanted strikes - if your union goes on strike, you are not allowed to work
  • special treatment - unions try to equalize, so higher performers may not be fairly compensated

An awesome employer shouldn’t discourage unionization, and ideally they’d encourage attempts to unionize, but they wouldn’t recommend unionization, assuming the employer intended to maintain control and monitor managers throughout the chain. If the employer can provide all of the benefits employees would get through unionization, unionizing merely adds extra BS that employees and employers need to deal with.

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