Lemdro.id

4 points

2 months ago

You know that smoking causes lung cancer, right?

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

-4 points

2 months ago

Please present evidence for that many lung cancer cases caused by cannabis.

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2516340/

4 points

2 months ago

I can show you evidence of smoking causing lung cancer. Do you think smoking cannabis magically makes the smoke healthy?

While cannabinoids aren’t carcinogenic, a lot of the byproducts of smoking are.

This isn’t even debatable, man. Smoking is unhealthy. Were people to only use edibles, I doubt there’d be any mortality of any sort to report. And I doubt the veracity of the mortality rate in general. (I didn’t notice it, my bad for saying “read the chart, bruh”, as I was the one who had poorly skimmed it, because I’m rather high and thought I remembered what it said.) The mortality rate, afaik, would include things like if someone smoked only cannabis, got lung cancer, then those medical files would probably count towards this stat. I’m thinking there’s probably cases where some drunk driver has died in some way, and they test the blood, find alcohol and a tiny bit of cannabis, and then list “driving on drugs (cannabis)” as the reason or something.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23846283/

If you’ve only ever vaped, (and not vape-liquids, but actual herb vaporisers) I don’t think you’re much at risk of lung cancer, really. I should like to see evidence to the contrary, and until I do, I don’t think I’ll believe it. Smoking, on the other hand? Drawing the byproducts of combustion into your lungs? Yes, I’m sure it causes cancer. And scientists tend to agree.

I’m off to hit my bong, all this talk of lung cancer made my lungs leak; got to go tar them a bit.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

-3 points

2 months ago

In other words, you have absolutely no evidence to support this mortality claim.

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4 points

2 months ago

I literally just linked two studies showing that smoking cannabis is independently linked to cancer even when smoking cigarettes, socioeconomic factors, etc are taken into account. One of them is a 40-year cohort.

Science really doesn’t get more valid than that in our current age, so I don’t really know what you mean. Also, does this mean you don’t believe that SMOKING cannabis causes cancer? Lighting it on fire, it burning and you inhaling the smoke?

You don’t think breathing in heavy smoke from this everyday is causing me to have an increased risk of mortality from an increased risk of cancer vis-a-vis breathing in tar? And I clean this daily, often twice or more a day.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

-3 points

2 months ago

No evidence of mortality though.

So where did they get their mortality figures?

Maybe ask yourself that.

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4 points

2 months ago

What you’re doing is colloquially known as “sealioning”.

Science literally does not get much better than that. Plus the decades and decades of studies there are showing that smoke — in general — causes cancer.

Do you think it’s the nicotine in cigarettes which is causing people to die? That that’s why the mortality figures from cigarettes is so high? Or could it be that inhaling smoke is unhealthy?

You’re demanding that I present to you where the chart I linked got their figures from, saying you absolutely refuse to believe there’s any connection to increased mortality in any method of using cannabis — even the one where you INHALE SMOKE. How am I supposed to do that? I don’t have access to their data. I have access to the same data that I presented to you. But if we want to pursue your query as to where these mortality figures might come from, well, obviously they’re at least from the increased risk of cancer from smoking. I’ve said this several times but I suspect that if every single person that was involved in that study had actually used edibles instead of smoking, there would be much less mortality, if any.

So I don’t understand what exactly you’re protesting here. Because the most popular method (well, it might actually be edibles or vaping already in some places where it’s legal) is smoking and smoking causes cancer. It feels like you’re adamant that smoking cannabis magically makes smoking healthy. Which feels subpar compared to your normal rhetoric.

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