No need for trust, it is public record

Dude I’m not endorsing his comment, I’m saying what he means with “Liberals”

You absolutely were using it in that sense.

I was not. Please do your best to participate in good faith and not make things up, let alone make them up and then repeatedly assert them based on nothing.

There is literally nowhere on planet earth where humans live in any large number where you will not find Nazis.

That is true, but also does not contradict anything I have said, nor does it excuse those who repeat their racist and chauvinist talking points.

Claiming that Ukraine is rife with it in any meaningful sense

I haven’t said anything like this. That is your insertion.

Stop repeating Russian propaganda.

Please stop lying about what I have said.

Honestly, what is it with lemmy.ml and people who love Russia?

It’s not me, it is you doing a poor job at wrestling with your cognitive dissonance. My mere mention of Russophobia from liberals, borrowed from Ukrainian Nazis, resulted in you inventing entire lines of thought and arguments that were not there rather than directly engaging with the facts if the matter. This is defensive behavior intended to avoid what I said and return to an arena where you feel more comfortable.

Not ironically, that arena is one where you feel comfortable being against Russia, lmao.

I’m excited for Russia seeing justice.

Just Russia? Or all countries with the same violations that outrage you? What about those with even worse? Are you excited for justice in all cases?

And a world War?

Yes.

With Russia and whose army?

A world war would involve multiple countries on both sides, dragged in by mutual ties and a recognition of which camp would have it in for them in victory. Starting am open war with Russia would drag in all nations that have sought independence and needed to build up a military to prevent being overcome by the domjnant superpower. Eventually it would drag in every major state. It is hard to say how all of the chios would fall, but the conditions under which Russia were openly targeted for destruction would immediately create alarm in China, Iran, and most of Africa. That bloc has an order of magnitude more productive capacity and manpower than the “good guys” you would have in mind.

Because theirs can’t handle Ukraine on their own.

Russia could destroy and overtake UA at basically any time but is instead choosing this status quo as achieving a strategic objective, namely bleeding UA of manpower and weapons stocks. Russia has notably not used the scorched earth approach that NATO and NATO ally countries have consistently taken during their invasions, one where mass civilian destruction and terror are the main components of victory and control, where their forces fall apart the minute theyvlack air superiority. UA does not have sufficient air defenses to prevent such attacks, Russia simply chooses not to make them.

If things turn south, I have no doubt Russia would adopt the more NATO-ie “make the civilian population scream for mercy and then push them even harder” approach.

Their missiles explode on the launchpad, their submarines sink themselves, their only aircraft carrier has more Russian kills than enemy.

You might as well just write, “I am easily misled by propaganda”. Since the beginning of the war, the false prospect that Ukraine could win has been essential for manufacturing consent for every ask made by Kyiv and the US government, up to and including mass deindustrialization of regions of Europe and making the EU dollar dependent again. Just follow the sources of what you read and ask what they choose to report on vs not and who pays them. It will be revealing.

Oh, you honestly think China will save them? That’s absolutely adorable.

Save them from what? If China is in a world war you can kiss any semblance of normalcy in your life goodbye. You should fear these prospects, not LARP about how much you will win. These are all nuclear powers with greater industrial capacity.

That shock therapy? That was their own oligarchs looting Russia wildly, which is why corruption has destroyed the Russian military so completely.

Feel free to familiarize yourself with what shock therapy refers to in this context. No lectures from you about this if you don’t know something so basic. But, in short: the oligarchs were created by this shock therapy, of mass privatization, and it was done by US policy in the region. Modern Russia is a direct consequence of US shock therapy treatment.

Russia has historically felt their only safety came from the perception by others that they were strong. That perception was utterly shattered by Ukraine, forever.

Silly little fairy tales.

There is no way this turns out that is not disastrous for Russia, but then again I guess they just call that ‘history’. Personally I’m looking forward to it with anticipation.

What about a disaster in Russia makes you excited?

Not thirsty for blood, thirsty for justice, as are much of Europe that were victims of Russian imperialism under the name of ‘buffer states’.

Justice is not abstract, it has a grounding in ending injustice, creating accountability, and making whole. Given that you seem, unprompted, pretty stoked for war, I don’t accept your claim to not have thirst for blood.

Re: Europe being victims of imperialism, what on earth are you talking about? I assume you are referring to the Warsaw Pact but I can only guess at what comic book-esque brainworms are at work.

Now those states are stronger than them and everyone is desperately eager to watch them suffer.

So you wish suffering on the Russian people? Sounds pretty Russophobic.

I could make a fortune selling popcorn in eastern Europe.

Russian hatred? We call that ‘being European’.

Ah, sounds like you hang out in ethnic supremacist spaces. It’s all making sense now.

That is of course a homophobic insult