More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.
“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.
“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”
No, you know what… I really don’t want to continue this conversation. Your mind is made up, you do what you feel is right. God bless, I have nothing more to say.
trying to convince anyone is a waste of time and the best you can hope for is to understand if there’s anything in the arguments/perspectives that you don’t like so that you can better understand your own.
the people who stop/avoid engaging or default to insults/snark have no substance to their views while the ones who try, do.
Look, I’ve already voted, and I don’t hold any position of power to make any more decisions, and there’s nothing productive to continuing this. My temper is my Achilles heel, and nobody has anything to gain. I’ve heard the arguments from the “Democrats are genociders”, and I will never be convinced that the best way to protect a group of people is let their fate be decided by someone who has explicitly made clear his desire to wipe them out, and I will never not think that people in that camp are insane. They are more than welcome to go take their magical thinking to someone who will listen.
temper is almost everone’s achilles heel and what you can gain from it is deeper understanding.
here’s a quote from someone that you might hold in high regard, dr martin luther king jr, who sums up why shallow understanding is bad for all of us and also sums up the debate you’ve had here regarding liberal support for the harris campaign and the genocide shes enabling:
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
You know what, no. To hell with that. I’m not going to sit here and let you accuse me of using groups as some kind of pawn when I’m out there busting my ass multiple times a week in earthquake and flood clean-up efforts and, the rest of the time working with special needs children. I don’t need to PROVE to you that I care about people, and I don’t care for your implication that I’m some political shill.
Yes, you do need to sit there, because I am going to tell you, directly and honestly, when you are pitting marginalized groups against one another in support of your political candidate. It is not my fault that you are doing that while volunteering to help disaster victims. You are also very much guilty of making up some bullshit to attack me with, which is also not my fault and I do get to push back on you when you do it, and you should apologize for it and retract it.
The main thing I’ve learned in my years of doing this is that the daily work of individuals helping EACH OTHER is the only thing that really makes a difference for people in this world, and I will PROUDLY STAND by the fact that picking the governments that, if not facilitating that, at least don’t stand in its way, is the only humanitarian decision you can make.
The US government is genociding the people of Palestine via its proxy in Israel. The genocide is fully dependent on US support, particularly arms and financial contributions. That makes a difference in this world for the people living in Gaza getting burned alive in refugee camp hospital beds. And you are deflecting from your vociferous support for the people doing that.
Handing power to people who don’t see people as PEOPLE in the hopes of SOMEDAY getting some nebulous, undefined government led by someone you can’t even NAME yet that MIGHT come about in 4 years isn’t doing that.
Do you think the Biden-Harris candidates see Palestinians as people? Really? As they are genocided by an ethnic supremacist apartheid state that requires their constant funding and support?
C’mon. This entire project depends on the dehumanization of Palestinians. It actually requires their dehumanization among all who consent to it, which will just vary by degree and directness.
Take your self-righteous accusations and shove them, my friend.
I am correct on this and you are not. I have had no need to fib or avoid inconvenient facts. Do some introspection and make yourself consistent. And please stop telling other people to vote for a genocider.
