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Wouldn’t removing or abolishing borders result in more invasions and wars, not fewer? Weak or unprepared nations would no longer have allied agreements for protection and would surely be under attack.

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I think the point is there just wouldn’t be Nation-states anymore, just a single united world. Partially because communism is definitionally stateless and classless (by Marx at least).

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How would removing borders unite people? There’d still be religious, cultural, and racial differences to fight over, as well as interest in your neighbor’s desirable resources.

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Like united as in sharing the same governmental structure (or lack thereof sometimes), freedom to move and travel anywhere, and probably more or less similar ideals for such a thing for actually work.

There still obviously would be things to fight over and probably some amount of small-scale civil conflict. There would also still probably be areas with with similar cultures, but with softer and more grey edges and mixing.

This is also more or less just the Marxist ideal of things, I have slightly different ideals personally. Mostly that there does need to be a fairly defined state and governmental system to maintain socialism/communism, help organize large-scale resource allocation and transport on a global scale, and provide structure for civilization-scale projects like progressing human knowledge and science, space travel and exploration, etc.

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There’d still be religious, cultural, and racial differences to fight over

People can fight over other differences, even if all those factors were equal.

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It would absolutely guy capitalism’s strangle hold

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How does removing borders ridicule capitalism? Maybe I’m misunderstanding your use of guy as a verb.

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I meant gut, and without the artificial rules we abide by enabling capitalism it would falter…then like 8 guys would figure out how to ruin it all again.

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I don’t think it would have that effect at all… abolishing all nations and states would mean the massively wealthy corporations that are wealthier than most nations and states would become the de facto super powers of the world. Governments are the only thing keeping the likes of Meta, Google, Apple, nVidia, etc. From having private militaries and literally taking over the world. If you want to abolish all nations and states, you need to gut capitalism first and make sure these corporations can’t just become the new and far worse government.

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You’re probably right… Really I was just trying to point out that these borders and that separate us are a lot more for governments than they are for any of the people.

Really I don’t think capitalism is the worst system in the world inherently nor is a completely communist system the problem is that when allowed to run unchecked and you get incompetent grifters who take advantage on both sides of the equation that’s unfortunate.

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Yes, the states must be prepared and it can’t be done all at once. See how not every country is automaticly added to the EU and Schengen, often it takes time.

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Yes, this is the entire reason behind the contemporary idea of the geographic border defining the political state. If we just hit “reset” after the war and all agree that states should embrace political sovereignty which isn’t tied to ethnic divisions, then slowly it will kind of all blur into one big quasi-federal good time.

This has actually worked decently well in most places, with some notable exceptions.

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potentially, it’s really dependent on any given geographical region and the military capability in that area i guess.

I don’t actually know what would stop this, on a global level, aside from a global military force, so arguably you could refer to it as a “single nation earth” i guess.

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