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As a fervent AI enthusiast, I disagree.

…I’d say it’s 97% hype and marketing.

It’s crazy how much fud is flying around, and legitimately buries good open research. It’s also crazy what these giant corporations are explicitly saying what they’re going to do, and that anyone buys it. TSMC’s allegedly calling Sam Altman a ‘podcast bro’ is spot on, and I’d add “manipulative vampire” to that.

Talk to any long-time resident of localllama and similar “local” AI communities who actually dig into this stuff, and you’ll find immense skepticism, not the crypto-like AI bros like you find on linkedin, twitter and such and blot everything out.

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17 points

I think we should indict Sam Altman on two sets of charges:

  1. A set of securities fraud charges.

  2. 8 billion counts of criminal reckless endangerment.

He’s out on podcasts constantly saying the OpenAI is near superintelligent AGI and that there’s a good chance that they won’t be able to control it, and that human survival is at risk. How is gambling with human extinction not a massive act of planetary-scale criminal reckless endangerment?

So either he is putting the entire planet at risk, or he is lying through his teeth about how far along OpenAI is. If he’s telling the truth, he’s endangering us all. If he’s lying, then he’s committing securities fraud in an attempt to defraud shareholders. Either way, he should be in prison. I say we indict him for both simultaneously and let the courts sort it out.

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4 points

“When you’re rich, they let you do it.”

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14 points

The saddest part is, this is going to cause yet another AI winter. The first few ones were caused by genuine over-enthusiasm but this one is purely fuelled by greed.

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8 points

The AI ecosystem is flooded, we need a good bubble pop to slow down the massive waste of resources that our current info-remix-based-on-what-you-will-likely-react-positively-to shit-tier AI represents.

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9 points

Agreed that’s why it’s so dangerous. These tech bros are going to do damage with their shitty products. It seems like it’s Altman’s goal, honestly.

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7 points

He wants money/power, and he is getting it. The rest of the AI field will forever be haunted by his greed.

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28 points

TSMC are probably making more money than anyone in this goldrush by selling the shovels and picks, so if that’s their opinion, I feel people should listen…

There’s little in the AI business plan other than hurling money at it and hoping job losses ensue.

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9 points

TSMC doesn’t really have official opinions, they take silicon orders for money and shrug happily. Being neutral is good for business.

Altman’s scheme is just a whole other level of crazy though.

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5 points

After getting my head around the basics of the way LLMs work I thought “people rely on this for information?”, the model seems ok for tasks like summarisation though

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9 points

I don’t love it for summarization. If I read a summary, my takeaway may be inaccurate.

Brainstorming is incredible. And revision suggestions. And drafting tedious responses, reformatting, parsing.

In all cases, nothing gets attributed to me unless I read every word and am in a position to verify the output. And I internalize nothing directly, besides philosophy or something. Sure can be an amazing starting point especially compared to a blank page.

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It’s good for coding if you train it on your own code base. Not great for writing very complex code since the models tend to hallucinate, but it’s great for common patterns, and straightforward questions specific to your code base that can be answered based on existing code (eg “how do I load a user’s most recent order given their email address?”)

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3 points

It’s wild when you only know how to use SELECT in SQL, but after a dollar worth of prompting and 10 minutes of your time, you can have a significantly complex query you end up using multiple times a week.

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the model seems ok for tasks like summarisation though

That and retrieval and the business use cases so far, but even then only if the results can be wrong somewhat frequently.

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3 points

TSMC’s allegedly calling Sam Altman a ‘podcast bro’ is spot on, and I’d add “manipulative vampire” to that.

What’s the source for that? It sounds hilarious

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https://web.archive.org/web/20240930204245/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/25/business/openai-plan-electricity.html

When Mr. Altman visited TSMC’s headquarters in Taiwan shortly after he started his fund-raising effort, he told its executives that it would take $7 trillion and many years to build 36 semiconductor plants and additional data centers to fulfill his vision, two people briefed on the conversation said. It was his first visit to one of the multibillion-dollar plants.

TSMC’s executives found the idea so absurd that they took to calling Mr. Altman a “podcasting bro,” one of these people said. Adding just a few more chip-making plants, much less 36, was incredibly risky because of the money involved.

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17 points

I really want to like AI, I’d love to have an intelligent AI assistant or something, but I just struggle to find any uses for it outside of some really niche cases or for basic brainstorming tasks. Otherwise, it just feels like alot of work for very little benefit or results that I can’t even trust or use.

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I receive alerts when people are outside my house, using security cameras, Blue Iris, CodeProject AI, Node-RED and Home Assistant, using a Google Coral for local AI. Entirely local - no cloud services apart from Google’s notification system to get notifications to my phone while I’m not home (which most Android apps use). That’s a good use case for AI since it avoids false positives that occur with regular motion detection.

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1 point

I’ve been curious about google coral, but their memory is so tiny I’m not sure what kinds of models you can run on them

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It’s useful.

I keep Qwen 32B loaded on my desktop pretty much whenever its on, as an (unreliable) assistant to analyze or parse big texts, to do quick chores or write scripts, to bounce ideas off of or even as a offline replacement for google translate (though I specifically use aya 32B for that).

It does “feel” different when the LLM is local, as you can manipulate the prompt syntax so easily, hammer it with multiple requests that come back really fast when it seems to get something wrong, not worry about refusals or data leakage and such.

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3 points

Attractive. You got some pretty solid specs?

Rue the day I cheaped out on RAM. soldered RAMmmm

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-7 points

Yep the current iteration is. But should we cross the threshold to full AGI… that’s either gonna be awesome or world ending. Not sure which.

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1 point

What makes you think there’s a threshold?

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10 points
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Current LLMs cannot be AGI, no matter how big they are. The fundamental architecture just isn’t right.

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You’re absolutely right. LLMs are good at faking language and sometimes not even great at that. Not sure why I got downvoted but oh well. But AGI will be game changing if it happens.

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2 points

I know nothing about anything, but I unfoundedly believe we’re still very far away from the computing power required for that. I think we still underestimate the power of biological brains.

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1 point

Very likely. But 4 years ago I would have said we weren’t close to what these LLMs can do now so who knows.

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3 points

Based on what I’ve witnessed so far, people will play with their AGI units for a bit and then put them down to continue scrolling memes.

Which means it is neither awesome, nor world-ending, but just boring/business as usual.

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1 point

There are people way smarter than me that claim it will be a threshold and would likely grow exponentially after it’s crossed. I guess we won’t know for sure until it happens. I do agree most people get bored easily but if this thing is possible to think for itself without interaction it won’t matter if the humans get bored.

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2 points

It’s selling the future, but nobody knows if we can actually get there

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6 points

It’s selling an anticompetitive dystopia. It’s selling a Facebook monopoly vs selling the Fediverse.

We dont need 7 trillion dollars of datacenters burning the Earth, we need collaborative, open source innovation.

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3 points

The first part is true … no one cares about the second part of your statement.

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19 points

Seriously, I’d love to be enthusiastic about it because it’s genuinely cool what you can do with math.

But the lies that are shoved in our faces are just so fucking much and so fucking egregious that it’s pretty much impossible.

And on top of that LLMs are hugely overshadowing actual interesting approaches for funding.

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95 points

For real. Being a software engineer with basic knowledge in ML, I’m just sick of companies from every industry being so desperate to cling onto the hype train they’re willing to label anything with AI, even if it has little or nothing to do with it, just to boost their stock value. I would be so uncomfortable being an employee having to do this.

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6 points

As someone who was working really hard trying to get my company to be able use some classical ML (with very limited amounts of data), with some knowledge on how AI works, and just generally want to do some cool math stuff at work, being asked incessantly to shove AI into any problem that our execs think are “good sells” and be pressured to think about how we can “use AI” was a terrible feel. They now think my work is insufficient and has been tightening the noose on my team.

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3 points

This. Exactly.

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31 points

For sure, it seems like 90% of ai startups are nothing more than front end wrappers for a gpt instance.

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They’re all built on top of OpenAI which is very unprofitable at the moment. Feels like the whole industry is built on a shaky foundation.

Putting the entire fate of your company in a different company (OpenAI) is not a great business move. I guess the successful AI startups will eventually transition to self-hosted models like Llama, if they survive that long.

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Ya, it’s like machine learning but better. That’s about it IMO.

Edit: As I have to spell it out: as opposed to (machine learning with) neural networks.

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1 point

It is. It’s that plus an important process for living organisms rather than just burning something.

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33 points

I mean… it is machine learning.

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7 points

It’s also neural networks, and probably some other CS structures.

AI is a category, and even specific implementations tend to use multiple techniques.

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