Comment by Clent@lemmy.world on How Putin Fooled the Western Left

In Germany, the far left and the far right are most definitely pro-russia, each for their own reasons. The far right loves a Führer-like figure and that “minorities” are being actively discriminated in Russia, the left still considers Russia as being “anti-imperialist” even though Russia is definititely acting imperialistic af. And they are anti NATO. Russia considers both the german far left and far right as useful anti-NATO and anti-EU idiots, which aligns with their intentions. Thus they provide funding and relevance to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OG0s3KANCY&pp=ygURd2FnZW5rbmVjaHQgcHV0aW4%3D

However, left/right moderates and liberals are pro Ukraine and they are the majority.

I guess it depends. I’ll bring my country as an example, Italy. Here we have Right parties that are pro-Russia but at the same time our president is from a far-Right party and openly against Russia. On the other side, we have many left parties that are pro-Russia, mainly because they are anti-NATO. They hate America so much they choose to side with the child abducter Putin.

Tankies loves him, but in most European countries they constitute a tiny minority of the left. So yeah, definitely an incredibly misleading title for the video.

I assume that’s intentional at this point…

There’s a constant push of some big “both sides”-narratives, trying to equate a minority of (or even singular) tankies inside an already left-wing minority as totally equal to far-rights getting massively funded by Russia.

He uses some famous examples of American leftist intellectuals (to some extent) siding with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Unfortunately, it is a thing.

Yeah, but a tiny minority does not constitute “the left”. It is blatantly misleading.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

Democratic Socialists of America left enough for you? Demanding the US leave Ukraine and Eastern Europe for Russia to genocide.

It seems we are talking across each other. In Europe the US Democratic party is not really considered left. It has a left wing, AOC and such, which also happened to want to lessen support for Ukraine, but when Europeans talk about leftists what we usually mean is the farther left.

The point here is: The left, not some slightly more leftish conservatives but actual left-wing, are a small minority in many cases. In the US they are a fringe movement inside the not-as-far-right-as-republicans democratic party, in many EU countries they are often a small party overshadowed by nowadays very centric social democrats. And inside that already small faction there are probably even a handful of tankies.

And then there are usually quite big and rising right-wing populist parties paid by the Kreml (and some singular not-Russian-but-still-oligarchs donors… possible overlap in some cases included).

Trying -not for the first time in the last year- to push storylines equating a handful of ideologically problematic people that are a minority inside a left minority with big right-wing movements proven to be financed by Russia is one big piece “both sides” narrative and nothing more than propaganda…

You have somehow managed to conflate being a pacifist with thinking that it’s okay for Russia to invade sovereign nations.

You are a bit confused but that’s OK

Says the person clearly confusing either tankies or liberals (or both? lol) for leftists.

People on the actual left A. never fell for Putin who has clearly been a dictator in the making since he got the job, and B. ideologically oppose all and any states, and their leaders, so suggesting that, of all groups, leftists are the ones who somehow bought in to Putin is the most clueless and wilfully ignorant take.

Being a mod doesn’t somehow magically make you correct nor well informed.

Oh sorry, the “actual” left. That solves everything, thanks

OK now you are really confused. Please note I’m the moderator lol

So now that’s a thinly veiled threat on top of telling him how his own country works?

It’s definitely both. The ultra-left tankie lemmy instances love Russia and hate Ukraine too.

I would call anyone in that mindset not actually leftist, just right wing authoritarians with a red flag.

Unless you’re going to claim all the tankies on lemmygrad and hexbear are secret righties, you’re just wrong on this one.

I mean they call themselves communist and espouse communist ideology though.

Plenty of far right groups have called themselves communist and socialist.

If you think these people “espouse communist ideology” then you need to be specific about exactly what ideology, and how that leads to support for Putin.

It’s what tears the German party The Left apart. One wing supports Russia, the other doesn’t. Source: I live there

I havent paid too much attention to the us politics, but since you did and you live there what do you think on Hassans stand on it? I dont watch the guy, I just saw portions of his stance on it, which may be out of context. But he seemed to be anti ukraine in those clips, saying that Ukraine should surrender and US should stop helping Ukraine. Do you know anything about it? Can you please offer some insight?

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